We're not going to agree, here. You're coming at this from "any harm is suffering, no matter what" and I'm coming at this from a viewpoint of "maximum harm reduction, minus One Bad Day, for sustenance purposes." In your eyes there is no "ethical meat" and in my eyes small farms with loving caretakers are fine.

But you know what? We both want to see factory farms eliminated and we both want animals to live happy lives. Let's start with that. We can still make progress, and a better world is possible.