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[–] 69 points 7 months ago (66 children)

The second someone wastes their time in your post history you've already won

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  • [–] 66 points 7 months ago (33 children)

    Sometimes you see a wild political take on Lemmy and you open their profile and see them praising Russia and China.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (22 children)

    Does your instance federate with lemmy.ml and lemmy.grad? You get banned on those instances for doing anything except simp for Russia. Majority of the users there defend all of russia's actions.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    The war requires Russia, Ukraine, and America to continue.

    And if a woman doesn't want to be raped, that's easily solved by her simply not having the sex be involuntary. Makes perfect sense.

    WW2 would also have been over way sooner if everyone had just surrendered to the Germans and Japanese. I wonder why those fools didn't just heed your wisdom.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Oh no. I'm entirely in favor of stopping the war. But stopping it in any way that permits Russia to keep the occupied territory is literally condoning and enabling genocide. Ukraine is fighting to stop that.

    "Stopping the war" is possible in many ways, but only one of them doesn't include at least some genocide.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The previous point still stands though. If Russia is rewarded for being the agressor then they will learn that its the correct path to take. Which is less than ideal

    It seems like you ignore points you agree with. This will result in a consensus never being reached, instead having an infinite argument. By adding a "you're right about x but I still disagree with y" into your messaging it'll help create an understanding

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I actually don't know enough about the state of the war or the interests of the ruling class of Russia to argue my point any further.

    Your arguments on the repercussions have made me agree with your points about it not being rewarding for Russia at the current state of events. Nevertheless I wish to bring up the point that the interests of the ruling class may not be aligned with the interests of Russia as a whole.

    But as I said at the start I know too little about that topic to reach any form of conclusion about that, so I'll leave it at a hypothetical possibility.

    Cheers!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Both Russia and Ukraine lost a generation of young people and Russia was basically kicked out of having any economic relations with Europe.

    Russia got it's shit kicked in the Chechnya the first time, and then decided to do the exact same thing again, but worse, a few years later.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Username identifies you as Russian. Further arguments are guaranteed to be bad faith time-wasters.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sure I can. I can call you a bot or a clanker. I can claim to be black, gay, or from Florida. People need to stop accepting claims made on the internet.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    These are all relatively easy things to verify if anyone has a lengthy post history. You think someone's an unlabeled bot? Show an admin evidence and they'll be nuked.

    I can claim to be [...] gay, or from Florida

    Where? I lived in Juipiter for a few months.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    I don't know if I'd go that far. It's one of the easiest ways to identify troll behavior. Sure going through and analyzing every post is insane, but being able to click on someone's history and see that oh they say stupid stuff for reactions regularly is pretty helpful. I'd also argue that it's helpful when people are making intellectually dishonest arguments when they have ulterior motives. Racist dog whistles for instance, when someone makes an argument that's a pretty obvious dog whistle and then claims they're just asking questions the Post history can sometimes help cut through that nonsense.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah but how would you trust that the LLM isn't biased, or the company that licenses and puts it in a browser extension isn't either? I don't know.

    I'm asking because I like the idea, it's a good one.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    That... doesn't answer the question. How do you assert that the base model you download and run doesn't have a bias one way or the other?

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  • [+] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Not obvious. You're right, there is no magic in this technology, and you clearly don't understand how it works.

    There is not a single LLM currently available that is able to consistently provide a correct or workable solution when faced with a semi complex word problem that's able to be contained in one paragraph. They may nail it on occasion but they cannot do it consistently. The "problem" of figuring out if someone is a bit eccentric, has poor social skills, is actively trolling, only trolls sometimes, or any combination of the above, is orders of magnitude higher than that. (edit:) To say an LLM is capable of that kind of logical determination is completely ignoring the evidence to the contrary.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Right, if we're talking about "good" in regards to speed then you're correct. But if we're talking about discerning intent, seriously? I find it hard to believe you're speaking in good faith and without bias yourself here. Disguising intent is the leading method to 'jailbreak' an LLM. Half the time at least, trolls are attempting to disguise their intent (with varying degrees of success). So that would be a solid failure at worst, or miss swaths of trolls at best.

    I don't want to engage with someone like that either, but I care about not skipping over the people on the fringes of behavior, people who don't just regurgitate an echo chamber. This task might not require 100% accuracy but I personally wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than 99.9%.

    I think using something like what we've been talking about is very very very far off in the future for me, if I were to ever do so at all. This conversation has made me realize that.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That might be the worst idea I've ever heard in my life.

    As with all people who are apparently experiencing AI psychosis I highly suggest you just learn to do things for yourself. You can make your own tags based on your own observations and experiences.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I think a cool solution would be to aggregate all of the tags that each user has received from other users and if there are frequent enough overlaps, a suggested tag might show up next to their name.

    Of course, that would require user tags to be logged, which is not currently the case, afaik. It’s also not foolproof, because I’ve got at least one user tagged as “belligerent and stupid,” which, while probably helpful for others, is not likely to come up in other users’ tags. Most of my tags are probably pretty common though: troll, occasional troll, thoughtful, insightful, etc.

    And finally, it might be susceptible to brigading or worse, if someone decides to make a bunch of accounts to tag LGBTQ users or something. Using the same federation rules as in other scenarios, where users or instances can be blocked or defederated at the instance level would help that, but I don’t know if it’s possible.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Nah bro, I remember that post where some guy was criticizing OP's cooking, so OP checks that dude's post history and finds how he drinks his own piss.

    I'm pretty sure OP won that argument by just mentioning that

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    They just wasted their time deliberating the opinion of someone who drinks piss instead of having confidence in their own abilities all to "win" an internet debate. That's not winning. At best they both lose

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    >go to history

    >Most recent post is about mass downvoting

    Yeah checks out lmao

    Edit: hmmm can't figure out how to add green text brackets here

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    mass downvoting

    There are accounts that exclusively downvote random comments. Not controversial comments, random ones. I have no idea what the person running the bot gets out of it.

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