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[–] 106 points 8 months ago (33 children)

I thought China was supposed to be socialist?!

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    In practice, China is more capitalist (at citizen level) than many European countries.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    So what's their healthcare situation? Does government provide it? or is it only provided through employment like USA does it (implying we're not worthy of healthcare unless we work a cushy job),? or do they pay for healthcare out of pocket?

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    I may have gotten some information incorrect, but I believe that the Chinese welfare system is very complex and even sad to think about. Citizens are only entitled to free healthcare in their home province. Outside of that they are not entitled. It's called the hukou system. Despite the uplifting of millions of Chinese from poverty, the wealth and access to resources is strange in such a way.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    So ... if you were very sick, why wouldn't you go back to your home province to get that healthcare?

    Stupid system, sure, but it seems like a much more reasonable solution than hoping your child wins a lot of money in sports.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Their home province may be rural and not have hospitals equipped to treat certain diseases? China is a big country and not all of it is well developed.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    This is the correct answer in a lot of cases and even if their hukou is in a modern place like Shanghai, the best hospitals and latest medical treatments are often not part of the basic medical coverage. Long lines and long waits happen for many services. A two tier system of public and private care exists with the rich able to pay for private doctor, private rooms, and advanced care. I lived in Shanghai for 11 years. Managed to have a heart attack there and got great emergency service at a fraction of the cost in the USA. After care was long lines and long waits at the local hospital so I went to the international clinic for that.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like they're getting screwed

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    It's complicated. As a still developing country outside of the major cities, the Chinese people very little for health care and very little in taxes for it. The trade off is long lines and sometimes delays. It could be worse, it could be the USA system.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    A lot of Chinese are from the more rural interior and travel to the more prosperous cities, which are closer to the coast, to work. Traveling to their home province to get treatment is more arduous than getting sick itself.

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  • [–] 77 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yes. And not 100% of procedures are covered by the nationalized healthcare. These are not incongruent things.

    Contrast that to America where not 100% of procedures are covered by personal healthcare, and less if your healthcare coverage is "bad".

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    China has a pretty abismal social safety net. They economy has a lot more central organization than most countries (whose economies are more free market). The social safety net systems in Europe are much stronger than in China, even though they have less centrally planned economies overall.

    As with everything, it's hard to fit things into neat groups and the more you analyze something the more nuance there is.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    I can only speculate, but I assume it has to do with the government structure. China's leadership is much more insulated (electorally) from the population than the European leadership. Said another way, European leadership is more accountable to their constituents and social safety nets are popular.

    Chinese leadership are more accountable to the party which is just a subset of the population, not the population at large. I assume those in the party are on average better off and have less need for a social safety net, so they are less likely to demand that from the leadership. This is pure speculation though.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I thought they at least had universal healthcare...

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  • [+] -11 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    For the rich.

    China (and India) like 70% of it is poverty stricken pre industrial living. No running water, no electricity, no sewage systems.

    They have a free "doctor" who may be hours away and have the training/equipment equivalent of early 1900's doctors elsewhere.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It says this is in cities only. That seems to neglect rural areas, no?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    sure, but the urban population of china is close to 65%.

    so if 100% of the rural population have zero access to water and electricity (which would be fucking insane to assert), then thats 35% of the total population, literally half of the figure op stated in his comment. and this is giving them the biggest benefit of the doubt possible.

    all in all, i retain my point of them being a fuckhead.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Did you miss the word CITY ???

    Learn to read JFC

    Both countries regularly exclude and ignore the rural populations.

    Or even just watch a documentary, for example when they show shots ,it is very easy to tell most of the rural towns have no electricity, running water, or in most cases front doors/glass windows....

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