Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to "restore peace". It's a cursed piece of land. But, you can't remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.

What choice is there?

The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.

To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.

Fun fact: In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered "People of the Book" due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report

Edit: I only say this because I don't believe ethnostates are necessary to protect groups of people, and I believe the "having nowhere else to go" mentality was intentionally manufactured. Furthermore, when these ethnostates claim ownership over a group of people and commit atrocities in the name of the ethnostate, that makes it more dangerous for that group of people to live peacefully elsewhere.

i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again

And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you're advocating for Israeli genocide.

("you" here is "a person", not you, @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip)

On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory

Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.

The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.

Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there's no reality in which China doesn't immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.