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[+] -11 points 8 months ago (44 children)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Alright. Let's do this. I'll bite.

    So first thing's first, this article is clearly click bait and no, the Chinese government isn't going to start encouraging or even allowing women to simply carry flamethrowers and open fire on any threat like it's nothing. So let's start by establishing that we are arguing hypotheticals here over a clearly click bait article.

    However, the point of self defence isn't to provide an equivalent punishment to the crime committed, but to allow someone to use violence preemptively against an aggressor to stay safe. You don't practice self defense after you get raped, but hopefully before you do.

    This opens the door to many difficult and vague situations where it's hard to tell whether an act was justified or not, but that doesn't mean that burning someone is necessarily in any way less justifiable than shooting them or stabbing them etc.

    So in this hypothetical scenario, the question isn't whether burning someone is equivalent to being sexually harassed, because that's not the type of situation that self defence is meant to be used in. It's not equivalent but rather preemptive.

    So we are now asking the question: are women entitled to self defence against sexual harassment? And I'd guess the answer probably lies in the middle of "yes every time" and "never" because no one should get raped for lack of self defence avenues, but also I don't think someone should get burnt to death for cat calling someone else, no matter how inappropriate I may think it is.

    However, if a woman (honestly, any SA victim, not just women) gets touched inappropriately and feels threatened, I think it's fair to allow her to preemptively attack. So I'd say you can't argue self defence without the presence of a physical threat. And even then, self defence obviously needs to be clearly outlined to minimise the likelihood of unjustified attacks.

    That being said, this is both obviously clickbait and also a terrible idea simply because of how much uncontrolled collateral damage a flamethrower can do to others, structures and even first responders. So yeah, it's a dumb idea. But I don't think that's because sexual assault is not a basis for self defence, rather because flamethrowers are extraordinarily unsafe weapons for everyone involved.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    There is no level of violence unacceptable for self defense against sexual assault. Keep your hands to yourself.

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  • [+] -11 points 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    We'll have to agree to disagree then. If you don't want to catch fire, don't sexually assault people.

    Somehow I've managed to live nearly 3 decades without sexually assaulting anyone. You can do it too! I believe in you!

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Nice that you took a broad statement about sexual assault to be a personal attack directed specifically at yourself.

    Why would you be so defensive about people saying they like the concept of immolating rapists, even as a joke?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

    Oh no, wont anybody think of the sex criminals just minding their own business harrassing women.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    To be fair, I would very much encourage people to use knives or even guns for self defence before flamethrowers that can cause tons of collateral damage. Fire isn't exactly something you can direct super clinically at someone without it also spreading everywhere.

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  • [+] -5 points 8 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    You sound like somebody that harasses women.

    Edit: Not even being hyperbolic. You really are giving off those vibes fucking hard.

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    You sound like someone who harasses women and needs new material.

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  • [+] -3 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    No, but you’re making it as easy as it is fun. All you have to do is stop responding and let me win.

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  • [+] -3 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    EVERY TIME ANYTHING WOMAN RELATED COMES UP IN THE FEED, HERE YOU ARE ACTING IT OUT, EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. HOLY HELL WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST WOMEN? I NEED TO KNOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?

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  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    You’re against those dick traps that rapists have to get removed at hospitals, too, huh?

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  • [+] -4 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    No, but you obviously do considering your reaction to what is blatantly a joke post.

    Why did you decide an anti-rape/self defense device would be targeted at you enough to have such a strong negative reaction to it?

    Yes or no? Any other answer will be interpreted as a yes. Are you concerned about getting set on fire with a device intended to hurt rapists in a self defense scenario?

    Edit: Also still curious about your stance on dick traps.

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  • [+] -4 points 8 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, that’s exactly why I support the idea of immolating rapists. If you’re willing to accept people getting raped as collateral for your personal safety then why is it wrong for anyone to think the same of handsy creeps in the same way?

    Also, that was a very strong yes.

    Edit: The crickets on the dick thing is also a very strong yes.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Are your concerns for others or yourself?

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    Oh my god, holy shit, that is genuinely fucking hilarious! You’re being earnest, aren’t you? Oh my god, I love it. You’re like the human equivalent of a Neil Breen movie. You wouldn’t work as a written character, they’d say you’re too unrealistic and two dimensional. Keep going, say more shit like that. You’re actively redefining comedy, and I’m here for it.

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