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[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) https://archive.is/fELBv permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 17 points 8 months ago (9 children) Please stop using archive . today and its other domains. In the past, they prevented Cloudflare DNS users from resolving the site, because Cloudflare didn't forward EDNS data that would allow Archive.today to dox users. And recently, they embedded malicious DDOS code into their captcha that would cause visitors to unknowingly DDOS someone. They are extremely shady and no one should be using them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (5 children) I'd take an alternative if you've got one. Otherwise, unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 10 points 8 months ago* (4 children) Here's your alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/20260219185525/https://www.theverge.com/tech/881352/mastodon-default-server-recommendations-experiment unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! How is highjacking your traffic to maliciously DDOS someone without your consent not a "serious change for the worse" ...??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) You know that's not a real alternative. I wish it was -- it'd make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 8 months ago (2 children) I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 8 months ago This is what I see? permalink fedilink source parent [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hmmm, thats why mullvad is blocking them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I don't think Mullvad is blocking anyone. I'm not sure if Archive . Today is still doing what they did in 2023, but if they are, it would be more correct to say Archive . Today is blocking you for using Mullvad's DNS servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago I can't access to archive websites with mullvad vpn activated, with the dns blocking everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 17 points 8 months ago (9 children) Please stop using archive . today and its other domains. In the past, they prevented Cloudflare DNS users from resolving the site, because Cloudflare didn't forward EDNS data that would allow Archive.today to dox users. And recently, they embedded malicious DDOS code into their captcha that would cause visitors to unknowingly DDOS someone. They are extremely shady and no one should be using them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (5 children) I'd take an alternative if you've got one. Otherwise, unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 10 points 8 months ago* (4 children) Here's your alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/20260219185525/https://www.theverge.com/tech/881352/mastodon-default-server-recommendations-experiment unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! How is highjacking your traffic to maliciously DDOS someone without your consent not a "serious change for the worse" ...??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) You know that's not a real alternative. I wish it was -- it'd make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 8 months ago (2 children) I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 8 months ago This is what I see? permalink fedilink source parent [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hmmm, thats why mullvad is blocking them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I don't think Mullvad is blocking anyone. I'm not sure if Archive . Today is still doing what they did in 2023, but if they are, it would be more correct to say Archive . Today is blocking you for using Mullvad's DNS servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago I can't access to archive websites with mullvad vpn activated, with the dns blocking everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (5 children) I'd take an alternative if you've got one. Otherwise, unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 10 points 8 months ago* (4 children) Here's your alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/20260219185525/https://www.theverge.com/tech/881352/mastodon-default-server-recommendations-experiment unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! How is highjacking your traffic to maliciously DDOS someone without your consent not a "serious change for the worse" ...??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) You know that's not a real alternative. I wish it was -- it'd make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 8 months ago (2 children) I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 8 months ago This is what I see? permalink fedilink source parent [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 10 points 8 months ago* (4 children) Here's your alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/20260219185525/https://www.theverge.com/tech/881352/mastodon-default-server-recommendations-experiment unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry! How is highjacking your traffic to maliciously DDOS someone without your consent not a "serious change for the worse" ...??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) You know that's not a real alternative. I wish it was -- it'd make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 8 months ago (2 children) I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 8 months ago This is what I see? permalink fedilink source parent [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) You know that's not a real alternative. I wish it was -- it'd make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 8 months ago (2 children) I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 8 months ago This is what I see? permalink fedilink source parent [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 8 months ago (2 children) I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 8 months ago This is what I see? permalink fedilink source parent [–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced. Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why. This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm. We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm. For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hmmm, thats why mullvad is blocking them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I don't think Mullvad is blocking anyone. I'm not sure if Archive . Today is still doing what they did in 2023, but if they are, it would be more correct to say Archive . Today is blocking you for using Mullvad's DNS servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago I can't access to archive websites with mullvad vpn activated, with the dns blocking everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I don't think Mullvad is blocking anyone. I'm not sure if Archive . Today is still doing what they did in 2023, but if they are, it would be more correct to say Archive . Today is blocking you for using Mullvad's DNS servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago I can't access to archive websites with mullvad vpn activated, with the dns blocking everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dequei@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago I can't access to archive websites with mullvad vpn activated, with the dns blocking everything. permalink fedilink source parent