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[–] 4 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I agree with all of this except that his standard seems to be perfection, when a lot of us are not looking for a Signal alternative, but a Discord alternative, which it is. It's still better than Discord.

The Matrix Foundation and everything under it has systemic problems that they haven't even acknowledged in the 5+ years I've been eyeing Matrix, and I will not fucking defend them, but Matrix is the best Discord alternative we have unless you're willing to hitch your bet on a single sysadmin hosting Stoat or whatever else.

I've been in enough communities that implode because one critical person got his finger stuck in his ass that I refuse to migrate to a service that isn't federated, and XMPP kinda sucks, so Matrix it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

    It's not a good discord alternative but simplex has been a solid secure chat option PQC working by default. It and mumble or jitsi serve my gaming needs.

    https://simplex.chat/

    XMPP would need one hell of an upgrade but it might be easier to refactor than the years of lazy bullshit in matrix's code. Time will tell. Flux could hackathon and venture captial into the lead

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    I haven't reviewed SimpleX, but it does some weird things (Curve448? Really??) that make me wonder about the author's capacity for threat modeling.

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    3 year old subpackage blob. Maybe it's from before the switch to PQC? They have a published threat model that helped guide the audits and seemed well reasoned. I'm not sure where that version of curve would be used in the current client or server.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Either way, it's just... weird.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    you can message the developers directly from the client. Ask, if they dont know why it's there it'll get stripped out. I would guess it's legacy compatibility but it could be zombie code that needs pruned

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I agree with all of this except that his standard seems to be perfection, when a lot of us are not looking for a Signal alternative, but a Discord alternative, which it is. It’s still better than Discord.

    Did you perchance see my previous blog post? https://soatok.blog/2026/02/11/on-discord-alternatives/

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I have now, but I don't see what "there are no good alternatives" does for the conversation when some of us are looking to get off Discord now.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    It does a lot of good, actually.

    If you know the alternatives suck, you can organize to make an alternative that doesn't suck. Some of the existing ones might be a good starting point, but if you care more about usability than privacy or federation, it will inevitably become another Discord when the law man comes.

    That said, the userbase of Discord is sufficiently large that some among you have the technical chops to replace it.

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