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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    ah yes, children and short women are the same. much science 🧪🐈

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Do you know what relativity means? You keep saying it

    A 6 or 7 year old child is ~120cm

    Average person 160cm to 170cm

    Relatively, a 3:4 ratio

    For a tall person at 200cm (6'6") that would be the same as 150cm

    Average woman is 160cm

    Yes a 200cm person standing next to a 150cm person looks like an adult standing next to a child height wise. Yet to them a 150cm person is much taller than 120cm. 1 foot difference.

    Why does your mind jump to "they look like they are with a child?"

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Also to the tall person that isn't the ratio of height of a child. They've most likely been that height since they were a teenager and think of the height of a child as the height that children are. Sure it may be waist height instead of chest height, but that's how tall kids are to them. It's not like you're 25 and have been dating around for a while and suddenly grew 6 inches and are uncomfortable because women in your dating pool are suddenly a proportional height you associate with children.

    This is also amusing to me as a tall woman who prefers older women and keeps getting short ones.

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 8 months ago (19 children)

    Are short women supposed to date children or something?

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Then a large percentage of tall men would have to stay single, since women are shorter on average. I've personally met very few women who are my height, and I'm not even that tall.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    Well maybe you'd try to choose a partner solely based on your depraved fetishes but most people prioritize other things.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Height is rather irrelevant to people besides you closet pedophiles, is what I was saying if reading is too hard for you.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Again. Someone pointed out that in general women prefer men that are like 8" taller whereas men prefer women who are 3" shorter, and you refuse to talk about how it might not be the man preferring a very short wife, but the wife preferring a very tall man.

    Instead you double down on "damn, them be some child-like features the men are going for".

    What does that tell everyone? You are CHOOSING to interpret a height differential to be about child like features, ignoring evidence to the contrary.

    Why would you choose that?

    I don't personally think that's what you're into. But I think you have a poorly justified opinion.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Because you're clearly sexually obsessed with small stature. You're the one whose thoughts immediately laser-focused to fucking children.

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  • [+] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] [S] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Short men are men, not children

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You have any clue how many women are 6 feet tall? Less than 1%, you are effectively saying tall men should be banned from heterosexual relationships that's why you are getting yelled at and down voted, I'm 6'2" and most women look like children next to me height wise

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Love is blind. Don't wedge yourslef inbetween folk who are happily together and are living normal lives. I know a guy that is more than a head taller than his partner, and they are happily together. Heck, it's she that is more dominant in their partnership xD

    Is such height diff a reason to pay more attention? Maybe. But outright assuming something is wrong just because you've got a gut feeling is foul.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

    ... Women generally, statistically, indicate an ideal preference to date men who are ~21cm / ~8 inches taller than themself.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020

    Women prefer, on average, a larger height difference between themselves and their partner (i.e. males being much taller than themselves) than men do. This effect is even more pronounced when examining satisfaction with actual partner height: women are most satisfied when their partner was 21 cm taller, whereas men are most satisfied when they were 8 cm taller than their partner.

    So a roughly average height 5'4" (~1.62m) woman, on average, would ideally pick a 6' (~1.83m) tall man, all else held equal.

    By the same kinds of math, on average, men prefer to be ~8cm / ~3 inches taller than their ideal height female partner.

    So a roughly average height man of 5'10" (~1.78m) would ideally prefer their gal to be 5'7" (~1.70m)

    So I don't know, you tell me why generally speaking, women ideally prefer their men to be ~8 inches taller than themself, but men ideally prefer being only ~3 inches taller than their women.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    That is so far off from what I was talking about. Me and my GF have 20cm difference too

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    My point is you got the causation backwards.

    Women generally have a stronger preference for taller men, than men have a preference for shorter women.

    But you framed the entire scenario as being caused by men.

    Why do men date women that's like height of a children to them?

    Its... also amazing that you yourself date someone 20cm shorter than you.

    So, what, if you yourself were 5cm shorter than you are, and your partner was 5cm shorter than she is... would that be such a difference that the woman would now be 'child sized'?

    Short people do just exist, the image is an intentional joke making fun of height difference that is present in this consensual relationship.

    You describe this as jailbait despite the woman looking like she's in her upper 20s or lower 30s in age.

    Like, not to be rude to the woman in the picture, but how many under 21 or under 18 girls... have forehead wrinkles, bags under their eyes?

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I'll admit, jailbait by definition does not fit in, so it was incorrect of me to use that word, but I'll stand by the idea that it does feel weird to me in a way that resembles liking young girls.

    Answer me this - is it perfectly fine/morally right of me to watch a porn of tall dude doing it with a very short one? NSFW, but here is a mild porn example, I've personally seen more extreme ones; NSFW OPEN AT YOUR OWN RISK

    Personally, watching this makes me slightly uncomfortable. No one else, really?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You didn't address it, so I gotta ask, did you read the part about causation at all?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I would assume, though I could be wrong, that by not challenging it, they either tacitly conceeded the point, or, perhaps did not even mean to say it in the way they said it, with the meaning/implication that phrasing has, as they have said English is their third language, not their first.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    You're giving the guy a lot of grace. Admitting that there could be other reasons why tall guys can be partnered with short girls, especially when given objective evidence supporting these other reasons, is not impeded by a language barrier, not at the fluency level at which they're otherwise communicating.

    Nowhere in this thread do they admit it could be for reasons other than their personal theory.

    That's just having a poorly justified opinion and doubling down on it when confronted with evidence to the contrary, which deserves to be called out.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    You're giving the guy a lot of grace.

    Yep, I am.

    I haven't read every other response in the thread.

    I dunno, he was able to admit a fault to me, that's much better than I usually get in such a conversation as this.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    I'll admit, jailbait by definition does not fit in, so it was incorrect of me to use that word,

    Thank you for seeing and saying that.

    but I'll stand by the idea that it does feel weird to me in a way that resembles liking young girls.

    I mean... very broadly, yes, sure, I get that, but I feel like you have to ignore the details and context.

    But I will also grant that the non actual OP image, that is of higher quality, makes it more clear that the woman is likely not a child or very young adult, than the blurrier OP image does.


    Answer me this - is it perfectly fine/morally right of me to watch a porn of tall dude doing it with a very short one?

    Well frankly that's a complicated question, mostly because: What exactly do you mean by 'very short one?'

    Apologies if I am wrong but it seems like English may not be your first language, and that that might be the cause of a lot of the kerfuffle here.

    If you mean an actual dwarf, someone with dwarfism, well then that, to me, becomes a discussion of basically... is it more the case that such a person basically has few other valid employment options by way of discrimination, or is it more the case that... they're fully consenting adults, making their own choices, which they understand or are in control of?

    If you mean a person who is not a dwarf, but is simply fairly short... I basically still have the same kind of answer, I guess, just with there likely being a good deal less discrimination against someone who is simply short, but not a dwarf?

    Personally, as a matter of personal preference, I would not be interested in porn with dwarves, and yeah I probably would be weirded out a bit between an extreme height mismatch with non dwarves...

    But 'being weirded out' and 'morally endorsing or condoning something' are not the same thing to me.

    Lots of people do and enjoy things that I do not, that I find weird, but .... I don't think they're de facto morally bad just because I find it weird.

    Because I know that that all works in reverse as well: I'm into things many other people find weird or strange, but like, I'm not harming anyone.

    Frankly, I just don't like to watch any kind of porn where anyone is getting just utterly physically dominated by another person.

    I don't like porn where a guy will like, insult or or degrade or very physically forcefully slap any part of a woman, or that is styled as if its the gals boss or something... that turns me off.

    But, some people are into both or either of those things.


    Sorry if this is kind of a non answer, but I guess the short (lol) version would be:

    Such things generally yes do make me some amount of uncomfortable, but me being uncomfortable is not the same thing as something being morally condemnable.

    Are these things moral?

    Basically, thats a pretty complicated question to me, and I'm honestly not totally sure how I feel about that.


    EDIT: Also I did not watch that video, I'm making breakfast at the moment lol.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You're right, English is my third language. Thank you for giving this some thought.

    I have a somewhat wild and likely unprovable theory (let's see how many downvotes this comment gets) that more than half (60-70%?) of men who like the "very short ones" are also into dwarfism, but don't quote me on that.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    ... Well, that would an interesting survey, I... guess?

    Don't think you could do it very academically based off of trying to profile lemmy voters though, hah.

    EDIT:

    But also, I say this to most non English first language speakers, because it is true:

    You speak English better than a considerable number of Americans who only know English, so... generally I'm very impressed that you can speak 3 languages to any extent, hahah!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Ok but height really isn't enough to make it that. I've dated short women who I was attracted to because of how womanly (mature, mom bod) they were. The first specs of gray hair, the sagging of giant tits, the wide hips… Her being short was honestly mostly an inconvenience because I had to bend over pretty far to kiss her.

    Then you've got folks like my friends who are in the upper half of 6'. Everyone is short to them. They aren't going to go to tall communities just to find relationships. One is now dating an abnormally tall woman and he's happy about it.

    Sometimes two people just click. I'd be skeptical if someone kept intentionally dating young looking people significantly shorter than them, or if they were into the sort of stuff your words describe that content as. But that content isn't the majority of relationships with major height differences. The only people getting off on the stuff I'm talking about are greedy chiropractors.

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  • First of all, "midget" is a slur that shouldn't be used to describe people with dwarfism and second of all, are you saying that it's creepy for grown adults to be in a relationship just because one of them has a genetic mutation or happens to be really short? Are little people only supposed to date other little people or is there some magic number where you just become creepy?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Translation for this person because they've rightfully been misunderstood: Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate amount of tall men ending up in relationships with short women? This seems to be a statistical aberration when compared against other factors.

    The answer is societal expectations of tall men/short women, kinks, standard height deviations among genders.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    That's stupid then, no offense. The height of children ranges greatly just like the height of adults, there's considerable overlap.

    It isn't something clearly defined.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    I don't need a definition of a children's height to have average image of their height and feel disgust when I see grown ass man or tall dude with one that next to him makes me wonder if that's their child or wife

    Literally how is this stupid? It's how I feel. It's my feelings, which are objective to me that are not imaginary and I cannot ignore. I believe there is clear logic behind it and rest is a matter of personal opinion or your own "feel" towards the matter, but is it really stupid?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    You can have stupid feelings, especially once they concern how you treat others. There's a big difference between "idk why, but I really like cherry flavored ice cream" and "idk why, but these people make me feel uncomfortable", because the latter opens you up to treating others with prejudice.

    It's your job to wrestle with them and make sure your feelings are justified, or to change your mind.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Feelings can absolutely be wrong, and yours are. Your feelings that men dating short women is gross is extremely sexist.

    Imagine someone saying, "I have no idea why a white guy would date a black woman, they look like monkeys and bestiality is wrong."

    Them feeling like black people look like monkeys is wrong.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate amount of tall men ending up in relationships with short women?

    The dick looks bigger next to a smaller person and you feel more powerful being able to move such a small person around so easily in bed. Gay men have bears and twinks. This isnt just a heterosexual thing. I would know.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I always figured it was nature trying not to breed us into a race of giants, or midgets. I'm a lady and about the average height of men in my area (which my husband points out puts me in the top 5% of women's height here even though I'm barely even tall) and mostly have dated men around my height. My ex was about my height and our kids were all average height. Husband also around my height. My husband's ex was a lot shorter than him and his boys are not as tall as me, and I tease him, if he wanted tall kids he needed a tall mom.

    So I guess if she had her kids with a tall guy they would have been average height but I never had to think about that, right? But if my kids dad had been really tall my kids would be like Really Tall, maybe more than is healthy?

    I know nobody is having kids anymore, lol, but the preferences could be hard wired to some extent.

    Also - if only 5% of women are my height or taller, there probably just aren't enough of us around even if we wanted to breed giants.

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