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[–] 25 points 9 months ago (23 children)

The Graphene devs explicitly only support Pixels. Sticking with Graphene means continuing to give Google the profits from your hardware.

/e/OS is not bad as an alternative. The system wide ad and tracker blocking is nice.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    This is a big issue that the fairphone doesn't have its dtb open yet. It's not easy to build ROM for it. Despite their core claim of sustainability, without addressing the blobs, it remains just a tad more convenient for green minded people. We need a full Fairphone.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    That's fair and all, and I see your point. A 100% "fair" phone is the end-goal.

    Butin the battle against corporate douche-baggery, if we keep making perfect the enemy of good, we'll never get anywhere.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    And besides that, fairphone is just greenwashing when it comes to repairability, good luck finding parts for previous generations.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That demonstrably false by just going to the store...

    I don't know why people keep saying that.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I think it is because 90% of company sustainability is simply greenwashing.

    Fairphone also had the whole "fairbuds" thing where they released tws earbuds (and then removed the headphone jack) and supported them for under 2 years before throwing them away and they are completely non-repairable, then acted like they didn't exist.

    The new fairbuds are 10x better though, but I have heard the sound on both of their headphones is mediocre at best.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago*

    You can still get cameras and screens for the Fairphone 2 from Fairphone. No they're not making more, but they also have never said "unlimited support forever".

    That the process doesn't require prying apart glue alone makes it significantly more repairable than any other mainstream phone.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    /e/OS is not bad as an alternative. The system wide ad and tracker blocking is nice.

    I switched to e/os on a couple of motorolas that supported it and it's great so far.

    The comparisons to GrapheneOS are fair to some degree, but also not. Graphene is meant to be privacy and security hardened, whereas e/OS, while it is more secure than regular android, is more concerned with privacy hardening. The biggest misconception people have seems to be thinking that privacy and security are the same thing; and while that is true on the surface level, security (a la GrapheneOS) goes much deeper.

    So while my phone may not be as "hack resistant" as a GrapheneOS, it's degoogled and very protective of tracking, which is what I'm primarily concerned with. So I'm happy.

    I just wish I could afford a fairphone in Canada.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I just bought a refurbished (as new) Pixel 9 to use Grapheneos.

    Saved ~50% and didn't pay Google.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Genius! That is exactly how I buy my slaves

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Agree, buying a used pixel made by slave labor wage is still morally grey. And buying them used increases their market value, therefore people can find buying a new pixel easier as they can sell it for more later.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Sticking with Graphene means continuing to give Google the profits from your hardware

    GrapheneOS only supports Google Pixel because they are the most secure Android phones, with open-source images and 5+ years of security updates.
    You don't have to give money to Google. I got my Pixel 4a and my mother's 6a from second-hand sellers.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Sure, but then you are also not funding Google's competition in order to help improve choice.

    Buying second hand might make you feel better because you didn't directly fund Google, but you're still helping them maintain their position.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    «Funding competition» means giving money to Chinese State companies, for most consumers.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Most of the american companies are using Chinese manufacturing for much of the devices. Fairphone is European, but same manufacturing sources.

    In 2026, as a Canadian... Choosing between a country that is adopting nazi practices and threatening us with annexation, and one who has a questionable history but is overall doing more for climate change and global stability right now than the other... The choice is easy. Anything but american.

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