BiteSizedZeitGeist comments on Founding Pedos

[–] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I've been thinking for a long time that any large-scale organization will lead to greed, corruption, injustice, et al. It's only since I've been reading about ML that I learned I lean anarchist. Vanguard parties sound like a bad idea to me.

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was looking at some old ReadFanon comments yesterday, and I was just reminded of this one

And for anyone else reading this who doesn't know of the below essay. I think the paragraph that starts with "I've seen plenty of de facto vanguards emerge" leads into https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm

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[–] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

My observations and intuition so far is that, the larger the organization, the more that its injustices outweigh its benefits. Power corrupts, and people always have a way of justifying their own actions to themselves, no matter how unjust or "evil" they may be. As a population, I'm not confident in any one person, or any one small party, to wield the broad authority that a large government has.

I dunno. The more introspective I get the more I think of Oceania in 1984. Ingsoc is purported to be socialist but it's still highly stratified, and the higher classes wield their power in the most violent and dehumanizing way possible. I fear that that's the result of not just socialist organizations, but any organization that becomes large enough.

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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

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[–] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago

Sure, I'll cop to that level of idealism. I think the "human condition" is a real thing we've inherited from our evolutionary forebears, and we're constantly fighting against it. Heck, my main complaint started out as seeing Lemmy MLs as tribalistic to their own detriment. Even if it isn't truly universal, I don't think any form of political organization can permanently overcome that.

Also, yeah, I know that fiction doesn't describe reality, just the author's perspective of reality (learned that from Ayn Rand, 🤣 ). Didn't know that Orwell was anti-semitic (nightmare ick), but the message I took from 1984 was anti-establishment and anti-authoritarian, not necessarily anti-communist. I was taught that the "soc" in Ingsoc was a lie, just as in the Ministry of Truth produced lies and the Ministry of Love produced cruelty. Anyway.

I also want to reference some things I've heard about the USSR and the PRC, but I feel the canned response is that it's all Western propaganda, and I don't see a productive outcome of that line of conversation. I have some observations after reading Three Body Problem and my partner's fandom for MXTX's light novels, but that's very anecdotal.

At any rate, I got more of the insight I wanted about Lemmy MLs, and you as always give me a lot to think about, Cowbee <3 I always appreciate your time and patience.