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[–] 8 points 9 months ago (23 children)

In the most abstract sense: Is organisation without authority possible?

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    In a concrete sense, yes

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (21 children)
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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    What appeals to you about that text?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    How authority is defined and how Engels actually logically provides an answer to the question whether organization without authority is possible

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    A short 'logical' essay can give any answer in an abstract sense, but that doesn't discount empirical examples.

    Always seemed to me like Engels begs the question, takes "anarchy = chaos" as a starting assumption.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    Empirical examples... that you have not provided?

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    It's trivially easy to think of examples of "organisation without authority" in nature, in history, in software.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Provide a trivially easy example that you can think of (in the concrete sense) and let's examine it together

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  • [+] -10 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    You provide one, you have a brain, you don't need me to spoonfeed you.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    I provided you not only one, but two (cotton spinning wheel and railway example), assuming you're familiar with Engels text.

    I see you're either scared to be challenged ideologically or it's not as trivially easy as you make it seem to be.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    No, those aren't examples of "organisation without authority"; they're the opposite.

    I only see two possibilities –

    • You need to spoonfeed you examples of "organisation without authority" because you have excessive respect for my opinion, lack of independent thought
    • You're playing the role of 'hostile skeptic on the internet'
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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

    No, those aren’t examples of “organisation without authority”; they’re the opposite.

    Brother in Christ if this is your reading comprehension I'm not sure how to help you. I'm arguing with Engels here: Meaning organization without authority isn't possible. How the fuck do you expect me to provide an example of organization without authority if it's not something I believe in dipshit?

    Provides no examples

    Ok bye

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    How the fuck do you expect me to provide an example of organization without authority if it’s not something I believe in dipshit?

    "How the fuck do you expect me to use my brain when my beliefs are in the way?!?"

    I expected exactly this tbh. You even admit that it's your "beliefs" that blind you to the examples we see all around us. No point talking to a hostile deadminded Believer.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Im too afraid to make my own argument and will claim it's trivially easy to do so. You make my argument for me instead

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't have any ownership of the point, it's not mine, it's common-sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    If it's common sense and trivially easy to understand why can't you just explain it to us?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    Youse have already answered that: because Beliefs stop you from seeing.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like it's not trivially easy to understand OR common sense.

    It sounds more like your beliefs prevent you from engaging in good faith.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Got it, thanks.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    You're welcome!

    Also gotta say your performance in this thread was like watching a 13 year old squirm getting caught lying about their report card.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Don't see how you got that. I would rather not spend my time on 'please argue with me on the internet' people, especially when their starting point is mental incapacity ("I am unable to think of [easy to think of thing]!"). That's all I have said. Why would I wish to argue with them?

    Hope you're having a great day.

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