▲ 91 ▼ Musk wants to merge SpaceX with xAI, then take it public (pivot-to-ai.com) submitted 9 months ago by dgerard@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments Or maybe Tesla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMKyocHwUJI&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260202-musk-wants-to-merge-spacex-with-xai-then-go-public - podcast time: 5 min 18 sec UPDATE: the merge has gone through, apparently for "$250 billion" of imaginary value of private company equity
[+] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago (21 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 11 points 9 months ago (20 children) Kessler syndrome, and historically starlink’s satellites don’t always burn up in the atmosphere as they should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shit, this fucker is going to block the goddamn sun if someone doesn't stop him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago don’t worry, some other fucker will sell the sunlight back to you permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 9 months ago (17 children) For the millionth time, if every satellite in the starlink constellation were to fail today, they would be gone in about five years at the high end. They are low enough in the atmosphere that they have to fire station-keeping rockets to maintain orbit. If they collide, the small pieces deorbit even faster due to drag. From this article: At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell. “In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago (15 children) uh huh. spacex fans are fucking wild permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago (9 children) anyone else who wants to tell me “for the millionth time” about how it’s super safe to fill low-earth orbit with unprecedented amounts of literal garbage in pursuit of creating a shit-tier ISP that’s sucked hard every time I’ve used it is welcome to take it up with the professor of astronomy that wrote that last article “it’s not Kessler syndrome unless it’s from the Kessler region of space, otherwise it’s just sparkling Rods from God” fuck you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (2 children) these fucks: "Don't make me tap the sign!!!" the sign: "My final braincell fell out of my open mouth while drooling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago (5 children) Wait, does the Starlink internet suck as well? I mean, it has to have high latency, that much I've assumed, but other than that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent [–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (4 children) I hate Elon as much as anyone and think that SpaceX is bound for failure....but that article isn't about a star link satellite. It was a cargo trunk from a SpaceX rocket which prob fell off much lower in orbit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ebu@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago (3 children) "ah, but you see, THIS piece of space garbage came from a totally unrelated space-garbage-launching mission" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago Agreed in general, but debris from collisions can head upwards as well. For example, Kosmos-1408 orbited at about 475km and left debris from 300-1100km. This is an older debris chart, but it shows that event in red. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 9 months ago (20 children) Kessler syndrome, and historically starlink’s satellites don’t always burn up in the atmosphere as they should permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shit, this fucker is going to block the goddamn sun if someone doesn't stop him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago don’t worry, some other fucker will sell the sunlight back to you permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 9 months ago (17 children) For the millionth time, if every satellite in the starlink constellation were to fail today, they would be gone in about five years at the high end. They are low enough in the atmosphere that they have to fire station-keeping rockets to maintain orbit. If they collide, the small pieces deorbit even faster due to drag. From this article: At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell. “In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago (15 children) uh huh. spacex fans are fucking wild permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago (9 children) anyone else who wants to tell me “for the millionth time” about how it’s super safe to fill low-earth orbit with unprecedented amounts of literal garbage in pursuit of creating a shit-tier ISP that’s sucked hard every time I’ve used it is welcome to take it up with the professor of astronomy that wrote that last article “it’s not Kessler syndrome unless it’s from the Kessler region of space, otherwise it’s just sparkling Rods from God” fuck you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (2 children) these fucks: "Don't make me tap the sign!!!" the sign: "My final braincell fell out of my open mouth while drooling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago (5 children) Wait, does the Starlink internet suck as well? I mean, it has to have high latency, that much I've assumed, but other than that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent [–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (4 children) I hate Elon as much as anyone and think that SpaceX is bound for failure....but that article isn't about a star link satellite. It was a cargo trunk from a SpaceX rocket which prob fell off much lower in orbit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ebu@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago (3 children) "ah, but you see, THIS piece of space garbage came from a totally unrelated space-garbage-launching mission" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago Agreed in general, but debris from collisions can head upwards as well. For example, Kosmos-1408 orbited at about 475km and left debris from 300-1100km. This is an older debris chart, but it shows that event in red. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (1 child) Shit, this fucker is going to block the goddamn sun if someone doesn't stop him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago don’t worry, some other fucker will sell the sunlight back to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] self@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago don’t worry, some other fucker will sell the sunlight back to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 9 months ago (17 children) For the millionth time, if every satellite in the starlink constellation were to fail today, they would be gone in about five years at the high end. They are low enough in the atmosphere that they have to fire station-keeping rockets to maintain orbit. If they collide, the small pieces deorbit even faster due to drag. From this article: At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell. “In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago (15 children) uh huh. spacex fans are fucking wild permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago (9 children) anyone else who wants to tell me “for the millionth time” about how it’s super safe to fill low-earth orbit with unprecedented amounts of literal garbage in pursuit of creating a shit-tier ISP that’s sucked hard every time I’ve used it is welcome to take it up with the professor of astronomy that wrote that last article “it’s not Kessler syndrome unless it’s from the Kessler region of space, otherwise it’s just sparkling Rods from God” fuck you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (2 children) these fucks: "Don't make me tap the sign!!!" the sign: "My final braincell fell out of my open mouth while drooling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago (5 children) Wait, does the Starlink internet suck as well? I mean, it has to have high latency, that much I've assumed, but other than that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent [–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (4 children) I hate Elon as much as anyone and think that SpaceX is bound for failure....but that article isn't about a star link satellite. It was a cargo trunk from a SpaceX rocket which prob fell off much lower in orbit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ebu@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago (3 children) "ah, but you see, THIS piece of space garbage came from a totally unrelated space-garbage-launching mission" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago Agreed in general, but debris from collisions can head upwards as well. For example, Kosmos-1408 orbited at about 475km and left debris from 300-1100km. This is an older debris chart, but it shows that event in red. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago (15 children) uh huh. spacex fans are fucking wild permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] self@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago (9 children) anyone else who wants to tell me “for the millionth time” about how it’s super safe to fill low-earth orbit with unprecedented amounts of literal garbage in pursuit of creating a shit-tier ISP that’s sucked hard every time I’ve used it is welcome to take it up with the professor of astronomy that wrote that last article “it’s not Kessler syndrome unless it’s from the Kessler region of space, otherwise it’s just sparkling Rods from God” fuck you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (2 children) these fucks: "Don't make me tap the sign!!!" the sign: "My final braincell fell out of my open mouth while drooling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago (5 children) Wait, does the Starlink internet suck as well? I mean, it has to have high latency, that much I've assumed, but other than that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent [–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (4 children) I hate Elon as much as anyone and think that SpaceX is bound for failure....but that article isn't about a star link satellite. It was a cargo trunk from a SpaceX rocket which prob fell off much lower in orbit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ebu@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago (3 children) "ah, but you see, THIS piece of space garbage came from a totally unrelated space-garbage-launching mission" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] self@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago (9 children) anyone else who wants to tell me “for the millionth time” about how it’s super safe to fill low-earth orbit with unprecedented amounts of literal garbage in pursuit of creating a shit-tier ISP that’s sucked hard every time I’ve used it is welcome to take it up with the professor of astronomy that wrote that last article “it’s not Kessler syndrome unless it’s from the Kessler region of space, otherwise it’s just sparkling Rods from God” fuck you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (2 children) these fucks: "Don't make me tap the sign!!!" the sign: "My final braincell fell out of my open mouth while drooling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago (5 children) Wait, does the Starlink internet suck as well? I mean, it has to have high latency, that much I've assumed, but other than that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent [–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (2 children) these fucks: "Don't make me tap the sign!!!" the sign: "My final braincell fell out of my open mouth while drooling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) An orange kitty can have ketamine or an iphone, but never both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago kittymine!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago (5 children) Wait, does the Starlink internet suck as well? I mean, it has to have high latency, that much I've assumed, but other than that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent [–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago If I understand correctly, the only reason they're in such low orbit, and thus why there needs to be so fucking many of them, is to have much lower latency compared to geostationary satellites. You know, in case you need to play Quake on your satellite connection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cstross@wandering.shop 9 points 9 months ago @V0ldek @techtakes If you want high latency, nothing beats telnet from the UK to a server in California via a comsat in GEO back in the early 90s when the trans-Atlantic cable circuit was down. A three-phase TCP exchange has to crawl up to GEO, 35,000km above the equator, and back down three times, never mind the surface level routing.Gave me a strong appreciation for Berkeley vi's designed-in ability to cope with slow modems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dgerard@awful.systems [S] 9 points 9 months ago I'm told it's good for satellite internet, if you only have satellite internet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] self@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago every time I've used it, it had massive issues with the connection hitching and with delivering anywhere near the promised amount of bandwidth my experience is my own, etc etc, but it reminded me a lot of how every time I've been in a self-driving tesla the only person impressed (and not terrified) of the thing was the owner permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 9 months ago We use starlink at work for communicating with some remote customer sites, and it’s been entirely adequate. As a super-subjective latency benchmark, i didn’t notice any particular difference in interactive ssh sessions to the starlink sites, and to the 4g lte sites in the same country. It’s been easier to set up and more reliable that some of the 4g links. I don’t like the fact that we’e paying elon money, but in the absence of a non-evil, non-ecologically disastrous, reasonably priced alternative, I don’t really have anything to offer management as a replacement. Everything else is either much worse, or more expensive and still worse, or vastly more expensive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (4 children) I hate Elon as much as anyone and think that SpaceX is bound for failure....but that article isn't about a star link satellite. It was a cargo trunk from a SpaceX rocket which prob fell off much lower in orbit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ebu@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago (3 children) "ah, but you see, THIS piece of space garbage came from a totally unrelated space-garbage-launching mission" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ebu@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago (3 children) "ah, but you see, THIS piece of space garbage came from a totally unrelated space-garbage-launching mission" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 8 points 9 months ago @ebu @TranscendentalEmpire The multi-billion-dollar exploding-rocket company can''t be expected to keep track of every piece of trash that falls off of their dogshit spacecraft permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, SpaceX is still responsible for dropping trash that could harm people or property. There's just a difference between dropping something from orbit and from lower in the atmosphere. The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn't ever in orbit. I don't give a shit about SpaceX, Elon and all his companies are complete trash. That doesn't detract from the original argument that existing satalites in low earth orbit aren't something to loose sleep about. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that's a completely different argument that I would agree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago The original argument was about worries over Kessler syndrome and then they moved the goal post to space junk not burning up completely, utilizing an article about space junk that wasn’t ever in orbit. no, the "original argument" (jacking off motions) was prompted by this shitpost of yours: I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? nobody moved the fucking goal posts, normal people don't go online to engage in a spot of spacex defense while pretending to hate first-name basis "Elon". that you have a rehearsed set of fucking gotchas over the specific danger presented by spacex is fucking incredible. You could make the argument that putting more junk into space has negative and unnecessary outcomes, but that’s a completely different argument that I would agree with. but instead you decided to tediously split hairs over Kessler Syndrome as if anyone here other than the resident physicists give a shit. you don't get it. nobody is here to win points. we're not an IRB; nobody gives a shit what specific category of danger is represented by the space junk Musk's generating. we give a shit that there's danger at all. fuck me there's nothing more depressing than a spacex fan who swears they hate musk and goes to bat for the fucker's worst, most damaging excesses permalink fedilink source parent
[–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago Agreed in general, but debris from collisions can head upwards as well. For example, Kosmos-1408 orbited at about 475km and left debris from 300-1100km. This is an older debris chart, but it shows that event in red. permalink fedilink source parent