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There won't even be an election to run in at this rate (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/mop
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[–] 16 points 9 months ago* (14 children)

Seriously, the above image is literally the reason the U.S. has Trump twice now. Delusional people genuinely don’t understand the world.

“Don’t vote Harris! She’s just as bad!”
“I hate Hillary Clinton though”

Congrats, this is your fault.

I will vote against Trump, even if it’s Gavin Newsom. If you don’t you’re a fucking moron.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    You understand that people can vote against Trump and also think that it's a good idea to actually run decent candidates to oppose him, right?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    The person you replied to absolutely understands that. What ends up happening is dumb leftist not voting for anyone because their candidate isn't perfect to their definition.

    I say dumb, because I would describe myself as a leftist progressive, but I actually vote.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Sure, but is that a thing that actually happened or it is just a rhetorical device that people trot out to shut down any discussion of moving the Democratic party in the "wrong" direction?

    Like we SHOULD be able to talk about why the DNC ran a really unappealing candidate and why their positions were unpopular without that discussion being. "So I GuESS yoU LoVe TRumP huh?"

    A party that cannot analyze or even ADMIT to their own failure isn't one that is trying to win.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Everyone who voted for the Green Party were well aware that the intention was a Trump win and a Harris loss. Their people literally said as much.

    Was it enough to cause a Harris loss? I don't know. I don't have enough information to know how many voters were discouraged. There were absolutely a ton of people on Lemmy talking about how the only "good" vote was a vote against Harris though.

    So it is a problem. Just the matter of degree is unknown.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    So your conclusion is that people not voting for Harris has absolutely nothing to do with Harris actual position on the issues or her suitability as a candidate? The tiny fraction of people that voted for someone else while somehow not wanting Trump to win is the real problem, not bad democratic candidates? You think that approach is going to accomplish anything apart from continuing to lose elections?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I don't believe I said any such thing, so I would appreciate you not implying that I did.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Oh sorry, I assumed you were making a substantive reply that merited a response. Feel free to fuck off then.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I replied to a specific comment with a specific reply about a specific issue, as the only comment by me in this chain.

    You have chosen to apply some unrelated commentary to my response, tried to put words in my mouth, and then behaved like a jackass in your reply to me.

    If thats the kind of person you are, then I'll happily add you to my block list and move on with my day.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What I find fascinating about people like you is that you take the position that extremist inflexible positions on Gaza are why Harris lost the election, but when pressed it always turns out that you view the extremist position as being OPPOSED to genocide.

    If you want to blame an insane position on Gaza for Harris losing the election, why don't you blame the Democratic candidate who decided to firmly take a position on Gaza that mirrored fucking Donald Trump?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What I find fascinating is my comment included nothing of the sort.

    So my previous statement is confirmed, thats exactly the type of person you are.

    Goodbye.

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I find it fascinating that people like you think that it is the people who OPPOSED the genocide in Gaza that have the extreme position and not the the democratic candidate for president mirroring Donald Trumps position.

    I agree that an insane position on Gaza is why Harris lost. So I guess the question to ask is why did Harris TAKE an insane position on Gaza?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I don't want another centrist candidate. A lot of people share that view. Everyone knows a lot of people don't want another centrist. The current political landscape clearly favors a progressive candidate like Mamdani, Bernie, or AOC

    We're years away from the election. Election results are good for progressives that focus on fixing real issues the average American experiences. Centrist Democrats have been performing poorly

    If the DNC pushes Newsom in 2028 and he loses, it will squarely be the fault of the DNC. Voter preferences are clear, just as they were in 2024 and 2016

    At some point we have to admit the candidates pushed by the DNC were unpopular. They lost because no one wanted them. The DNC preferred a Trump presidency over a progressive Democrat

    "Vote blue no matter who" does not work. Democrats lost in both 2016 and 2024 against one of the worst candidates in presidential history because the DNC did a poor job. It's the DNC you should be upset with, not the people who got sick of pinching their nose to vote

    I voted against Trump 3 elections in a row. I'm fucking sick and tired of having to vote for pro-corporate Democrats. I didn't feel any of them had my interests in mind

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