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[–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

this 100%. I have spent probably like 5 hours drafting a paragraph in my original comment only to realize that Im just sick and tired of it all. My friends are affected by these policies. I have had some negative experience with these maga followers ( had a boss 5 years ago who was maga, same with their kid) and recently, I had a roommate "flip" over the last year and pretended that they never supported it (even though I still have some nasty texts from them).

I used to really try to meet people in the middle and legit a month ago still believed that second chances (the more the better) should be a thing but honestly... it's getting to the point where a lot of it feels fake. Even if it's genuine, the damage has already been done and is still going. When MTG started distancing herself from MAGA, I genuinely supported it. Even at this moment I think she is sincere but it is just too late.

Have you guys even tried to have a conversation with these people? Not a debate but a genuine attempt in making a connection? Sometimes the connection does get made and good conversations happen.. but other times it just goes straight into some form of hatred with a smile on their face.

In the end, if you think that someone does genuinely regret their decision and/or vote, then good for them but the damage is already done and somethings cannot be recovered. People do learn from mistakes but the mistakes are costing all of us. Deep down I still want to help people out but I can't pretend that the people who wanted to hurt my friends and community will magically stop just because they said a specific sequence of words.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I don't disagree with most of this. But I would also rather be "tricked" by a grifter than be cynical of people really changing. Trust will have to be earned back, and I don't think I'll ever want them to (for instance) teach my kids, but if they're just seeing where the wind is blowing, isn't it a win that the winds have shifted?

    Have you guys even tried to have a conversation with these people? Not a debate but a genuine attempt in making a connection? Sometimes the connection does get made and good conversations happen.. but other times it just goes straight into some form of hatred with a smile on their face.

    Yeah, I have. It's tough, I agree.

    Deep down I still want to help people out but I can't pretend that the people who wanted to hurt my friends and community will magically stop just because they said a specific sequence of words.

    Agreed. That's why actual trust is going to take a while. But I'd be glad to see any amount of change that would let me start that process.

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