they're fine. im not throwing out my first get 13" but im also not upgrading it. i'll use it till it dies and replace it like any other laptop*. it turned out to be a perfectly fine device. i knew going in i was spending extra for the chance it'd be my "last laptop" that'd be periodically upgraded. it's definitely fallen short in daily use. decent enough computer that i dont regret having tried it. but i'd stopped suggesting framework to people long before we found out they're a bunch of assholes.