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Welcome... to the real world, Neo. (feddit.nl)
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[–] 29 points 9 months ago (24 children)

The audience is really anyone who continues to feel even a scintilla of patriotism for this shithole.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)

    Don’t confused patriotism with nationalism. Nationalists are rooting for ICE and Trump and all of those asshats. Nicole Good and Alex Pretti, and the many others out there still, are all Patriots.

    Edit: I misspelled Alex Pretti’s name. My sincerest apologies.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    As someone who knows the history of this country patriotism is barely distinguishable from nationalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Nationalism is the ideology that a certain people should have a state for themselfes.

    Patriotism is the love for one’s state, but that state may have one or more people in it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Which is why it doesn’t make sense to me, since I hate states in general and the United States specifically.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Fundamentally there are two kinds of nationalism: civic and romantic. Civic nationalism is about people adhering to a society's set of laws and values. Romantic nationalism, also known as blood and soil nationalism, incorporates those concepts of birthright and bloodlines as important to one's status in a nation.

    The United States was a major pioneer and proponent of the civic kind, defying the traditional romantic nationalism that grew out of Europe. Despite our historical misgivings it's an important difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t even like society’s laws and values, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sure there's some basal level of them that make sense or seem natural. I do find it preferable to going off ethnicity or religion. Or the monarchist Divine Rights stuff with noble bloodlines and such.

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  • [+] -10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So leave.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I would but there’s nowhere without a country to go to

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    "Have you tried just not being a mutant?"

    Go where? It's not like it was when Ellis Island was running. Anybody who immigrated through there would be an illegal immigrant today. Any Americans today whose parents or grandparents went through there are anchor babies who should be deported alongside the rest of their family under the current regime's stance on immigration.

    And it's not any easier today to immigrate elsewhere. Unless you're rich or have a degree that makes you a valuable commodity, most countries want nothing to do with you.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Patriotism is defined as "love of country", yes, but also "devotion to the welfare of one's compatriots". I personally believe there is nothing more patriotic than doing everything possible to root out a corrupt and harmful government.

    I actually think the USA is a beautiful place and I want to protect it from those who would destroy it. The word you're thinking of is jingoism, which is honestly a serious problem here

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Ok, so if someone is not American, you don't care about their welfare?

    If no, thats internationalism, the opposite of patriotism, if yes, you see why we have trouble distinguishing yall from fascists, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I never said that? The difference is as an American citizen I actually have some say in the welfare of Americans but by no means mistake me for a nationalist. I think you may need to touch up on the difference between patriotism and nationalism

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Patriotism is just nationalism for people who haven't grappled with the reality of patriotism. The core is still juxtaposing human worth and real estate.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I see what you're getting at, and perhaps my definition of patriotism is more wistful than the reality of it, but I've always thought of patriotism as similar to family. You're more devoted to them because you are closer to them and there's a certain want to preserve that alongside the places where it happened, y'know? And just like family, sometimes you have to override that devotion when the relationship becomes too toxic to maintain.

    I feel like that's where I'm at with the US. I've always been a naturalist at heart and I adore the landscapes of the country in particular, but it's like a toxic parent. I try my best to pursue reform but I'm nearing a point where I'll just have to leave and cut my losses. But it is hard because I legitimately do love this country, just...not the government or the people who run it.

    The problem ain't just the Trump administration, it's systemic and I wish more people here understood that. I just think it would be better for the whole world if the US could get its shit together instead of every person with a moral compass abandoning it to its inevitable doom and the subsequent suffering of everyone too screwed by the system to leave.

    I care about the welfare of every living breathing human, but tbh I think fixing the US (however that's done) would benefit a hell of a lot of people in a whole lot of places. This country's global military presence is so pervasive and damaging, it'd be nice to put a stop to it.

    If the want to truly fix this place makes me not patriotic, so be it, but I've always seen that as the definition of patriotic. Maybe I'm just naive tho

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