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Welcome... to the real world, Neo. (feddit.nl)
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[–] 22 points 9 months ago (14 children)

As someone who knows the history of this country patriotism is barely distinguishable from nationalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Nationalism is the ideology that a certain people should have a state for themselfes.

    Patriotism is the love for one’s state, but that state may have one or more people in it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Which is why it doesn’t make sense to me, since I hate states in general and the United States specifically.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Fundamentally there are two kinds of nationalism: civic and romantic. Civic nationalism is about people adhering to a society's set of laws and values. Romantic nationalism, also known as blood and soil nationalism, incorporates those concepts of birthright and bloodlines as important to one's status in a nation.

    The United States was a major pioneer and proponent of the civic kind, defying the traditional romantic nationalism that grew out of Europe. Despite our historical misgivings it's an important difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t even like society’s laws and values, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sure there's some basal level of them that make sense or seem natural. I do find it preferable to going off ethnicity or religion. Or the monarchist Divine Rights stuff with noble bloodlines and such.

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  • [+] -10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So leave.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I would but there’s nowhere without a country to go to

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    "Have you tried just not being a mutant?"

    Go where? It's not like it was when Ellis Island was running. Anybody who immigrated through there would be an illegal immigrant today. Any Americans today whose parents or grandparents went through there are anchor babies who should be deported alongside the rest of their family under the current regime's stance on immigration.

    And it's not any easier today to immigrate elsewhere. Unless you're rich or have a degree that makes you a valuable commodity, most countries want nothing to do with you.

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