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France will replace Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, Zoom, Webex and others with its own sovereign video conferencing application "Visio" for public officials (presse.economie.gouv.fr)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/opensource@programming.dev
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[–] 17 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Why why why not just use Jitsi ?

People contribute to FSF to support programmers to make important Libre products like this one and give it away , seems so wasteful for a government to fund a whole new different effort

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago*

    Because it's all a waste of dev time, over the past year the french government made all kink of foss tools instead of helping out pre-existing projects.

    I'm in constant face palm mode with them. Remember their collaborative suite? remember their e2e messenger?

    Of course you don't. Because they are irrelevant! Even within french public services.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    They rewrote a messenger and the entire office suite. They could've collaborated with the Germans in making OpenDesk. Imagine all the dev time going into making Forgejo federated instead of rewriting everything a different way that isn't interoperable with another government's tools.

    Maybe it has to start with way, every government making their own FOSS tools, features and code getting closer and closer together until they finally merge or dump one FOSS tool over another FOSS tool. 🤷

    My thought is: at least its FOSS

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It is so frustrating to see how tax payers are funding projects that reinvent the weel over and over. EU can just fund a good open source self hosted option then every country host it for it self.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    IMO, it's a matter of time. They will learn eventually. We're just at the beginning and mistakes are being made and will continue to be made. However, I'm much happier with them doing is as FOSS instead of some proprietary, closed source crap that has to be rewritten for millions by some external company a politician happens to know.

    Baby steps.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Conservatives who grumble about the inefficiency of government spending are not wrong

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The problem is what they see as inefficiency. Social services, education, and a bunch of other things that are actually beneficial to society they consider a waste of money. There is overlap in what I consider inefficient and waste, but it is small. This does make the cut though.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    education, and a bunch of other things that are actually beneficial to society they consider a waste of money

    For education, at least, I agree with the majority of (non-MAGA) Conservatives. Education should be treated like food, not like roads: government should ensure everyone has access in a diverse competitive market of providers, but not be a direct producer.

    50 or 100 years ago, I could much more see the argument that education is a natural geographic monopoly. Now I firmly believe that education is suffering from lack of innovation and competition.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    What do you mean by "diverse competitive market of providers"? All I can imagine is religious schools like Catholic, Presbyterian, Suuni, Shi'ite, Taoist, Satanist, and then language schools, vocational schools, universities, sport schools, etc.

    Also what do you mean by a "natural geographic monopoly"? Schools are neither natural, nor geographic, nor monopolies. Take Gemany for example. It has 16 different school systems. France has one school system but schools are given quite some leeway. The Netherlands has an extremely complex system with multiple exits and entries. And as for monopolies, there are often multiple schools in the same city, town, village or neighborhood.

    I'm curious to read what you mean by those statements.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Having used both Jitsi and LiveKit, I get it. Jitsi is great if you use it as it is, but if you want to integrate video conferencing into your own solution and customize everything, LiveKit is the logical choice. (I think it is also much newer then Jitsi, which used to be the only choice.)

    If they wanted to integrate a finished product, I would expect them to use Matrix over Jitsi, because it seems to have seen some use in France already.

    Also, I think Matrix integrated LiveKit for video over their existing Jitsi integration, so... the ecosystem seems to flock around LiveKit anyway. So maybe the'll contribute to LiveKit if they find issues with it, and everyone benefits from that.

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