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abolish the police (quokk.au)
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[–] [S] 14 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

The police are state-controlled rather than community-run, following state laws not community rules.

And as the results show, empowering the community to defend itself works out much better.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    The police aren't state controlled where I live. We have a seperate provincial police force that is different than than the local police force that polices our city.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    That's still part of the state apparatus.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Any group of people who are given power over others will inevitably become "the police".

    Maybe a grassroots effort is made to pick people from your local area to be the police, it might seem rosy for a couple of years, but they will still be the police, they will still become corrupted by the power they wield.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Which is why the entire community is responsible not a group of people.

    And no, you can look at autonomous regions in Mexico that have been doing this for decades now and still going 'rosy'. I understand you have a need to rationalise why the system we use must be the best, but reality says otherwise.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That's just not true though right? You're making up falsehoods. The entire community meaning every single person, is not responsible for keeping the peace and security. It is still only a group of people from within that community.

    Where I live our police are local and our police are chill and we don't tend to have many conflicts or issues with them. I agree with keeping police as local as possible. I disagree with pretending that a local community electing a local group of people to ensure law and order is fundamentally different that a police force.

    And no I'm not going to "look at autonomous regions in Mexico" aka "do my own research". It's up to you to provide evidence for claims that you are making. You tell me how exactly it's different rather than taking me down into your logical fallacy.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Here's a quick 5 minute VICE documentary on 1 town's approach, they've been doing this for 15 years and it has not devolved into your fears.

    https://youtu.be/SrPBdLiqMb0

    If you want to know more, here's a bit more reading about that town and how women are participating in the process.

    https://schoolsforchiapas.org/cheran-resists-women-weaving-life-in-the-face-of-patriarchal-and-extractivist-siege/

    And how they're defending against much larger actors trying to destroy their way of life:

    https://itsgoingdown.org/armed-attack-against-the-autonomous-purepecha-community-of-cheran-keri/

    From there you can 'do your own research' because I highly doubt you'll even look at those 3 basic sources without trying to come up with a reason to discredit it all in favour of the status quo.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It's just a different police force! Lmao there is nothing radical about this. They managed to push out an incredibly corrupt police force and replace them with a less corrupt and more accountable police force. Good for them! Seems like a great change. Guess what, they still have a police force.

    You are trying to twist this into a different conversation than the one that I've been having. I don't think that you even love on the same side of the planet as me or Mexico. You're basing your opinions of news puff pieces.

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