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In the face of Trump’s threats, Britain’s best path is clearer than ever: hurry back to Europe (www.theguardian.com)
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Regarding defence:

The conclusion is inescapable: now is the time for the UK to reinforce, not wreck Europe’s security relationships, both through the European pillar of Nato and through cooperation with the EU. That means developing its own military capabilities as the US pulls back, as well as exploring a UK role in potential decision-making bodies such as a European security council.

Regarding the economy:

Labour should be open to renegotiating all barriers to cooperation – including integration with the single market in a Swiss-style deal.

Thoughts?

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[–] 6 points 9 months ago (12 children)

The idea that Russia and the US are going to carve up Europe and leave the UK unmolested because of brexit is borderline delusional, as is the notion that Trump will be removed from office by anything other than too many cheeseburgers. There is no electoral math that would give the Democrats the ability to remove him, and there is no way they will get ~20 Republican Senators to defect.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    And if old man time impeaches him, the party is aligned with russia still. It is not turning back, biden was our chance to save what remains of liberal democracy and we squandered it.

    The party is behind this new aggressive military operations. If anything it is worse with new leaders as the current one is imcompetent and mentally challenged.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

    The party isn't "aligned with Russia" and neither is Trump. That's a bunch of conspiratorial nonsense.

    Russia had/has an interest in the Republicans and especially Trump holding power, and they act on it, but only because of how bad they are for America in general.

    Trump aligns with whomever last complimented him on how shiny and gold his asshole tastes, and it lasts until the next guy rolls out their tongue.

    Biden wasn't our last chance, Bernie was.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (9 children)

    Maybe 5 years ago that would sell to the sheep better. Now? Ha. He's blowing up nato in the only way he possibly could or trying to, and floating increasing military spending to make up for what europe buys to help sell it.

    If you actually believe that is a "conspiracy," that isn't true, I've an exciting investment opportunity for ya, sucka.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (8 children)

    He's blowing up nato

    He's also helping Ukraine blow up Russia. Not as the reliable ally Biden was, but not in a "doing Putin's bidding" way either. Now he's capturing oil tankers from Russia's oil fleet.

    Trump has always hated NATO.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (7 children)

    He has always been in bed with the russian mob, that is directed by the fsb too. It's not much of a secret, denying it at this point just shows that you are susceptible to believing suits lying to your face.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    /looks around

    Who's denying it? American criminal organizations have always had ties to criminal organizations everywhere, and the same is true of intelligence organizations. That's not even interesting, and it's not "alignment".

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    The president is an asset of russian intelligence. And even moreso to Israeli intelligence.

    To deny that at this point is just, wow.

    Yes, organized crime is vulnerable to intelligence agencies using them. The president was compromised by the Russian mob, and by extension the fsb, decades back. They are great pals.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You never answered my question, so I'll make it more pointed. Why is Trump providing Ukraine with intelligence for targeting Russian energy infrastructure? Intelligence that Biden refused to provide BTW.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    You think because he didn't upend tens of billions of dollars contracts and agreements of cooperation that is proof?

    Blowing up Nato is something he doesn't have the juice to do, not the least as the party is trying to use the military to ghettoize america like palestine. So he is doing the rah rah greenland to whip up a patriotic fervor to get the support to do it, which he might not get.

    This president can't cross the military, or the contractors. I'm surprised you see a stated disagreement with russia and take that for evidence they are not in league despite you know, things.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    OK, so you don't have an answer or can't be bothered to read the entire question. Trump has gone beyond what Biden did. I'm done with your bad faith bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    As I said, the US president does not have the juice to upend everything day one. Hence greenland to pull out of nato.

    As if he had the support in that community that he needs as much as any for the party's plans, to upset them like that. Your question is rather foolish to be perfectly frank.

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