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Minneapolis mayor: ‘I don’t support abolishing ICE’ (thehill.com)
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[–] [S] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You can enforce immigration and border controls without ICE. It was functioning just fine until 2003. In your attempt to find a "middle ground" position I dont think your landing pint is reasonable.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Changing the name from U.S. Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service to ICE isn't any different. It was the same government workers doing the same work before and after the department merge and name change.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not true, the department ment was moved under the Department of Homeland Security. This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led. There is nothing they do that can't be dealt with by other law enforcement. The DHS itself was a ridiculous ratcheting of the surveillance/police state "in response to 9-11" (that's the excuse that was dropped in their lap).

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led.

    The reorg meant LESS deportations. Significantly less if you factor Latin America population growth. It was only Trump that turned a regular bureaucracy into his Gestapo.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 9 months ago

    I'm not sure whether the quantity of deportations would have to do with the reorg, or if it has more to do with overall executive policy (or other factors).

    Regardless I don't think there needs to be a dedicated police agency dedicated to the internal enforcement of immigration. Whatever enforcent does take place does not need to be conducted by a militarized agency (which, is my primary concern with being part of "DHS"). ICE is already have been shit for a long time, not to mention the 2018 calls for "abolish ICE" because of the "kids in cages" (which were built under the Obama admin) which was already the correct call.

    They don't offer anything useful, even when they don't have Trump's trillion dollar funding package. Toss them and start over, it isn't even a big deal.

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