My favorite part is where they continue to argue with my banned ass, knowing full well I can't respond. The only way to win for them, I suppose.

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[–] 9 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

Transferring children is literally one of the definitions for genocide.

What you have described is genocide. Weasel words like cultural erasure should not be used to refer to the destruction of an ethnic group.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I didn't see that definition on the list. You may mean that's an aspect of genocide.

    Let's not downplay cultural erasure.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Article II on the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

    Let's not downplay genocide.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

    From the UN articles on genocide. I don't agree with that definition because "in part" is too broad and difficult to prove.

    Edit: And because those acts need to be taken with intent to destroy a people. The residential school system was undertaken to erase a cultural identity to integrate indigenous children before they became "too native." The primary intent was never to kill them off.

    The term “genocide” has entered global imagination as the “crime of crimes.” Through the years since its creation by Polish scholar Raphael Lemkin in the 1940s, the concept of genocide has undergone considerable change. It is now conceived as an extremely rare and difficult to prove crime; a “once in a generation” crime moulded in the image of the Nazi Holocaust. Protecting the exceptionality of genocide, we are told, is important. Not everything can (or should) be a genocide, because, “if everything is genocide, nothing is genocide.”

    But splitting hairs over the definition of something so broad and contentious is missing the point. I fight for restorative justice and believe, like you, these acts were/are detestable. Whether we agree on the definition of a word is moot.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The children forced to go to these schools largely were returned to the region they came from, when their residence was ended. The schools also tended to operate in the region of the people they put through the system. The Trail of Tears, however, is the kind of thing where displacement is considered to be a genocide, these things are both horrible, but they are not the same.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    The House of Commons has literally stated it is a genocide, based on the findings of the 2015 Truth and Reconciliation Council. The TRC was chaired by Murray Sinclair a member of the Ojibwe Nation, while Willie Littlechild a Cree Chief and Grand Chief of the Confederacy of Treaty Six First Nations acted as commissioner.

    On 27 October 2022, the House of Commons unanimously agreed that the government must “recognize what happened in Canada’s Indian residential schools as genocide

    https://www.ourcommons.ca/documentviewer/en/44-1/INAN/report-13/page-42

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago*

    Cultural genocide is not recognized as a genocide internationally, or within the ICJ. So there is no consensus on cultural erasure, as genocide, where as there is in fact one with the others. Some countries, and ngos, considered what China is doing as genocide too, most don't. This also stands with world wide standards for any type of cultural erasure. Similar systems in other countries of the west do not agree with Canada's ruling.

    So, like I said, there are academics that argue for it, and I understand their reasoning, but there are plenty who classify it differently, and I agree with their reasoning.

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