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Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney argues banning Twitter over its ability to AI-generate pornographic images of minors is just 'gatekeepers' attempting to 'censor all of their political opponents' (www.pcgamer.com)

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -21 points 9 months ago (33 children)

There is no such thing as generated CSAM, because the term exists specifically to distinguish anything made-up from photographic evidence of child rape. This term was already developed to stop people from lumping together Simpsons rule 34 with the kind of images you report to the FBI. Please do not make us choose yet another label, which you would also dilute.

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[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 months ago

The Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network (RAINN) defines child sexual abuse material (CSAM) as "evidence of child sexual abuse" that "includes both real and synthetic content

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago* (28 children)

Generating images of a minor can certainly fulfill the definition of CSAM. It’s a child, It’s sexual, It’s abusive, It’s material. It’s CSAM dude.

These are the images you report to the FBI. Your narrow definition is not the definition. We don’t need to make a separate term because it still impacts the minor even if it’s fake. I say this as a somewhat annoying prescriptivist pedant.

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -14 points 9 months ago (27 children)

There cannot be material from the sexual abuse of a child if that sexual abuse did not fucking happen. The term does not mean 'shit what looks like it could be from the abuse of some child I guess.' It means, state's evidence of actual crimes.

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[–] Sas@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 9 months ago (15 children)

It is sexual abuse even by your definition if photos of real children get sexualised by AI and land on xitter. And afaik know that is what's happened. These kids did not consent to have their likeness sexualised.

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -10 points 9 months ago* (14 children)

Nothing done to your likeness is a thing that happened to you.

Do you people not understand reality is different from fiction?

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[–] Sas@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 9 months ago (9 children)

My likeness posted for the world to see in a way i did not consent to is a thing done to me

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Your likeness depicted on the moon does not mean you went to the moon.

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[–] Sas@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Your likebess modified naked being fucked, printed out and stapled to a tree in your neighborhood is ok then?

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

A threat of murder is a crime without being the same thing as murder.

Meditate on this.

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[–] Sas@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And abuse is a different word than rape. Maybe meditate on that

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

And what if neither happened?

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Dude, you're just wrong. There seems to be a huge disconnect with you between what the law is. And what you want the law to be.

You are not allowed to take an image of someone, photoshop them naked, and distributed it. Period.

You are also not allowed to depict child sexual abuse. It doesn't matter if it's not real. It's the depiction of CSA taking place that is illegal.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Depictions could somehow be twice as illegal as the real event, and they still wouldn't be the same thing. It literally did not take place.

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[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 9 months ago

The nonconsentual sexualised depiction is in and of itself abuse. Get that through your skull, you dense motherfucker. Revenge porn is abuse not necessarily because what it depicts is an act of abuse, but because the material itself is distributed in a manner that violates the consent of the person(s) depicted. Similarly, editing a child's likeness into a pornographic context is CSAM. Making a machine do likewise is CSAM.
Doubling down this hard to say this isn't actually abuse is a really bad look for you and atp I'm convinced that you're a total creep. I'm sure others are, too.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

'This too is a crime, but it's a different crime.'

'Why are you defending this?'

Wrong.

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[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Please send me pictures of your mom so that I may draw her naked and post it on the internet.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

Do you understand that's a different thing than telling me you've fucked her?

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[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

Deepfakes are illegal. You're defending deepfake cp now?

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 9 months ago

Threats are a crime, but they're a different crime than the act itself.

Everyone piling on understands that it's kinda fuckin' important to distinguish this crime, specifically, because it's the worst thing imaginable. They just also want to use the same word for shit that did not happen. Both things can be super fucking illegal - but they will never be the same thing.

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (10 children)

CSAM is abusive material of a sexual nature of a child. Generated or real, both fit this definition.

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -11 points 9 months ago (9 children)

CSAM is material.... from the sexual abuse... of a child.

Fiction does not count.

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

You’re the only one using that definition. There is no stipulation that it’s from something that happened.

Where is your definition coming from?

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

My definition is from what words mean.

We need a term to specifically refer to actual photographs of actual child abuse. What the fuck are we supposed to call that, such that schmucks won't use the same label to refer to drawings?

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

I already did the “what words mean” thing earlier.

-involves a child
-is sexual
-is abusive (here’s your Simpsons exclusion, btw)
-is material

That’s literally every word of CSAM, and it fits.

We need a term to specifically refer to actual photographs of actual child abuse

Why? You’ve made a whole lot of claims it should be your way but you’ve provided no sources nor any justification as to why we need to delineate between real and AI.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Are you honestly asking me why child molestation is worse than rendering an image?

This term was already developed to distinguish evidence of criminal events. I should fucking hope everyone here understands why preventing or punishing such events is a leading goal, but apparently that's asking too much, if y'all really do not believe there's a difference between pasting someone's head onto a magazine centerfold... versus sexually assaulting them. I am fucking bewildered by this lack of consensus on the topic of child rape. Really thought it was a gimme, for everyone to go, yeah, this thing over here is bad, but obviously it's not as bad as child rape.

Didn't expect to fire up the computer and have Lemmings sincerely ask me, why are crimes that happened worse than crimes that didn't?

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Man, your reading comprehension is really shit. You could have just stopped after the first question. Yet again you’re making an assumption about the purpose of the term.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm making an explicit argument about the purpose of the term, as a necessary component of dealing with some of the worst crimes imaginable. I didn't figure I'd ever have to explain to someone why abusing a human child is fundamentally different from and worse than drawing on top of a fuckin' JPEG.

If y'all manage to stomp the meaning out of "CSAM," the same way y'did for "CP," we're gonna be right back here, where there's some bespoke term for the visual evidence of actual assault that physically occurred, yet people insist that a fictional rendering is-too VEOAATPO.

Diluting the impact of these terms is antithetical to protecting children. That stupid Horses game had people lobbing the term "CSAM" at it... for a game you can buy on GOG. If you can casually say "I bought some CSAM at Walmart the other day," then the term's not doing its fucking job, describing the kind of imagery you go straight to jail for.

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

I didn't figure I'd ever have to explain to someone why abusing a human child is fundamentally different from and worse than drawing on top of a fuckin' JPEG.

Holy shit. You don’t. Stop inventing arguments and read what the fuck I’m writing. Answer those questions.

What advantage does having unique terms for real and AI content confer? Answer in one sentence.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

Because of the sentence you just quoted.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

How do you think a child would feel after having a pornographic image generated of them and then published on the internet?

Looks like sexual abuse to me.

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[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Dude, just stop jerking off to kids whether they’re cartoons or not.

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

'If you care about child abuse please stop conflating it with cartoons.'

'Pedo.'

Fuck off.

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[–] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 months ago

Someone needs to check your harddrive mate. You're way, way too invested in splitting this particular hair.

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