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[–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (17 children)

Mosques in Iran also host basiji bases.

With branches in "virtually every" city and town in Iran, the Basij serve aan auxiliary force engaged in enforcing state control over society, acting as a morality police at checkpoints and parks, and suppressing dissident gathering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij

Basijis have killed and tortured countless civilians.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    Nice excuse. Still prohibited under international laws. You could justify with the same rhetoric the regime attacking and killing iranians since the regime could simply claims that they was israeli agents. The video I saw also showed a kid in the entry of a mosque that was attacked

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    International law goes out the window during a revolution - and nowadays in most other situations too.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Bullshit. A country law is irrelevant during a revolution but not international laws. During a revolution attacking civilians places is still prohibited

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Sure, it's prohibited. But so what? That rule is worth as much as the paper it was written on when there's no way of enforcing that rule. Will Bashar Al-Assad ever see any consequences for dropping barrel bombs on protest crowds and residential blocks? Will Putin ever see any consequences for invading Ukraine and butchering civilians on a daily basis, or Netanyahu for his killing spree in Gaza?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    So people can kill other people and burn civilians infrastictirew because there is a revolution. You are just supporting terrorism simple and plain

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Never said I supported any of it. I only said that it will happen, regardless of what idealists like yourself think about it. I've had time enough to learn that extraordinary circumstances will bring the worst out in people on both sides, and any international laws can easily be bent by the right people in exchange for future support/resources/fealty. Any world leader gives exactly zero shits about someone else's country until that country is either a threat to their own country or a potential massive boon. The age of rules-based order in the world has come to an end, and what we're witnessing now are the super megapowers asserting themselves. It's survival of the fittest now.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    I told you that civilians infra was attacked with a kid inside and you told me laws do not exists during a revolution

    I lived in tunisia during the dictator who kidnapped people critisizing him, tortured , raped and starved oppositions. I supported the revolution and went out with people to defend our country from the counter revolution but I never supported act of terrorism against anybody. So shut up and don't act like I am an idealist or someone who always lived confortably in a safe democratic country like you are

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (9 children)

    Not that laws don't exist. They're just not enforced. Tunisians were incredibly fortunate to get through their revolution without further bloodshed, any other countries in the Arab spring were not. Have we seen any consequences from the international court towards any of the perpetrators of crimes against humanity in these conflicts? No. I'm on your side. Neither of us are supporting acts of terrorism. All I'm saying is that it will happen in these kinds of situations, and the world will do fuck all about it. Try not to see enemies when you're in a discussion, I'm not your enemy

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    Tunisians was lucky because no foreign powers was involved. Israel is shamelessly saying it is involved right now causing caos which will just give the regime in Iran some excuses to justify arresting the real protesters who only want to live free and be financially safe.

    How hard it is for you to simply say I support the revolution but do not support unjustifiable violence instead of the bullshot of all laws no longer existing?

    I wouldn't have said you support terrorism if you didn't justify attacking civilian infrastructures with civilians in them

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I never justified anything, I simply said that the bastards doing such things don't see consequences nowadays, which is to me an entirely valid statement. Instead of exploding in all directions and just coming across as another angry young man, how about trying to discuss the topic in a composed and adult manner?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Again I said that a mosque was attacked with kids in it and you claimed that it's just the regime militants that was inside it and you claimed that no rules apply during a revolution .

    When I heard bullshits like you spitted, of course I would be mad . I am a human being not a rock. You could have just said that you support the revolution and condemn unjustifiable attacks and I would have agreed with you 100%

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    Again I said that a mosque was attacked with kids in it and you claimed that it's just the regime militants that was inside it

    Hah! At what point did I say that? You claim to be for democracy and freedom, yet you tell anyone you believe are disagreeing with you to shut up and launch personal attacks against them laden with falsehood. A cornerstone of democracy is free speech and open discourse. If you can't handle that, get off the stage.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    First I will apology to associate some comments that was made by someone else to you.

    You said so what to me saying protestors should not attack civilians infrastructures and civilians under international laws. The same international laws that allow protestors to self defense if they are attacked by the regime and supporting the protestors right to revolt

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Ah, the "so what" in that sentence might have been misunderstood. What I meant by that is that attacking civilians or civilian areas is prohibited in international law, but those prohibitions are generally disregarded both by the leaders violating international laws and most of the other leaders around them - that's the big "so what". It's unethical, it's illegal, it's evil, but leaders of nations will still do it, because they know that most of the other nations' leaders will look the other way. That's what I mean by international law going out the window.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So what you mean is that international laws should be respected but unfortunately nobody respect them including violent protestors doing violence outside of the right of self defense?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's exactly what I mean. In good faith, those laws were passed over many decades, but they're ignored on a daily basis. As I said; We're on the same side

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