An FBI investigation is underway after an ICE officer fatally shot a woman in southern Minneapolis on Wednesday, in an incident characterized very differently by local and federal officials.

Renee Nicole Good, 37, was shot behind the wheel of an SUV near the intersection of 34th Street and Portland Avenue just before 10:30 a.m. CT. U.S. President Donald Trump and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem both described the woman as an agitator who had been interfering with ICE agents on scene.

Noem, a central figure in Trump's immigration crackdown, said Good ignored officers’ orders to get out of her vehicle and "weaponized" the SUV by deliberately trying to ram into the officer. She said the agent shot the driver three times in self-defence.

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[+] 57 points 10 months ago (17 children)
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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I believe "I feared for my life" are the magic words the cops use.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In many cases, self-defense cases end up finding the killer innocent, because the killed person isn't around to tell their side of the story.

    Just make sure they don't survive, you'll probably be fine.

    Better off getting a sentence than getting dead. Don't take the risk.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    I have no idea why you're being down-voted, but you're correct.

    We citizens don't enjoy qualified sovereign immunity, A.K.A., "rex non potest peccare". Neither should law enforcement, if the world was fair.

    We go to jail, or worse, if we try the "I feared for my life" defense.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    That's not what qualified immunity is. QI only protects them from civil litigation.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You're absolutely right and I will correct my previous comment.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I hope my comment didn't come off as hostile; that's just one misconception I feel compelled to correct.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Not in the slightest, at least to me, anyway.

    Even though the current administration and many denizens of Lemmy don't give a shit about legal definitions, philosophies, and frameworks, I still think its valuable to strictly define terms and concepts.

    Bullies' confidence whithers in the face of precisely demanding accountability.

    Thanks again for the correction.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Exactly! I think when arguing against something, being accurate strengthens your position greatly.

    I agree that cops never being held criminally liable for blatantly violating the law is a cancer on society, and I appreciate you now using the right term to not give opponents to the argument ammo to use against you (not that it's a likely thing on Lemmy).

    I also agree that qualified immunity shouldn't be a default protection, although it does need to exist to some extent. Even when they're doing their job exactly as they ethically should be, people can get injured and property damaged. But it should be something an independent review board awards.

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