▲ 606 ▼ Gamers desert Intel in droves, as Steam share plummets from 81% to 55.6% in just five years (www.club386.com) submitted 10 months ago by Agent_Karyo@piefed.world to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 115 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 104 points 10 months ago (19 children) Don't forget the awfully fast socket changes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] nokama@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children) And all of the failures that plagued the 13 and 14 gens. That was the main reason I switched to AMD. My 13th gen CPU was borked and had to be kept underclocked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nokama@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It would cause system instability (programs/games crashing) when running normally. I had to underclock it through Intel's XTU to make things stable again. This was after all the BIOS updates from ASUS and with all BIOS settings set to the safe options. When I originally got it I did notice that it was getting insanely high scores in benchmarks, then the story broke of how Intel and motherboard manufacturers were letting the CPUs clock as high as possible until they hit the thermal limit. Then mine started to fail I think about a year after I got it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago In the 486 era (90s) there was a not official story about the way Intel marked its CPUs: instead of starting slow and accelerate until failure, start as fast as you can and slow down until it doesn't fail. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 21 points 10 months ago (8 children) Even within the same socket family, looking at you lga1151, can you run into compatibility problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (7 children) I think AMD also did a smart thing by branding their sockets. AM4, AM5, what do you think is going to be next? I bet it's AM6. What came after the Intel LGA1151? It wasn't LGA1152. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 15 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yea, for the customer it really doesn’t matter how many pins a certain socket has, only is it compatible or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) remember Socket 7? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I remember Slot 2 permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) AMD tried the Intel thing too by stopping support of past generation CPU on latter AM4 boards though. Only after public outcry did they scrap that. Wouldn’t put it past them to try it again on AM5. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Are there a lot of people wanting to plug Zen 1 chips into B550 motherboards? Usually it's the other way around, upgrading chip in an old motherboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 1 point 10 months ago It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing. There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 16 points 10 months ago (2 children) As a person that generally buys either mid-tier stuff or the flagship products from a couple years ago, it got pretty fucking ridiculous to have to figure out which socket made sense for any given intel chip. The apparently arbitrary naming convention didn't help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) It wasn't arbitrary, they named them after the number of pins. Which is fine but kinda confusing for your average consumer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 15 points 10 months ago Which is a pretty arbitrary naming convention since the number of pins in a socket doesn't really tell you anything especially when that naming convention does NOT get applied to the processors that plug into them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kieron115@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago* I just read the other day that at least one motheboard manufacturer is bringing back AM4 since DDR4 is getting cheaper than DDR5, even with the "this isn't even manufactured anymore" price markup. That's only even possible because of how much long-term support AMD gave that socket. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) Or the 1200 different versions of CPUs. We just got some new Dell machines for our DR site last year and the number of CPU options was overwhelming. Is it really necessary for that many different CPUs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child) Tbf AMD is also guilty of that, in the laptop/mobile segment specifically. And the whole AI naming thing is just dumb, albeit there aren't that many of those permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Well this scheme seems much more reasonable and logical to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nokama@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children) And all of the failures that plagued the 13 and 14 gens. That was the main reason I switched to AMD. My 13th gen CPU was borked and had to be kept underclocked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nokama@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It would cause system instability (programs/games crashing) when running normally. I had to underclock it through Intel's XTU to make things stable again. This was after all the BIOS updates from ASUS and with all BIOS settings set to the safe options. When I originally got it I did notice that it was getting insanely high scores in benchmarks, then the story broke of how Intel and motherboard manufacturers were letting the CPUs clock as high as possible until they hit the thermal limit. Then mine started to fail I think about a year after I got it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago In the 486 era (90s) there was a not official story about the way Intel marked its CPUs: instead of starting slow and accelerate until failure, start as fast as you can and slow down until it doesn't fail. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nokama@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It would cause system instability (programs/games crashing) when running normally. I had to underclock it through Intel's XTU to make things stable again. This was after all the BIOS updates from ASUS and with all BIOS settings set to the safe options. When I originally got it I did notice that it was getting insanely high scores in benchmarks, then the story broke of how Intel and motherboard manufacturers were letting the CPUs clock as high as possible until they hit the thermal limit. Then mine started to fail I think about a year after I got it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nokama@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) It would cause system instability (programs/games crashing) when running normally. I had to underclock it through Intel's XTU to make things stable again. This was after all the BIOS updates from ASUS and with all BIOS settings set to the safe options. When I originally got it I did notice that it was getting insanely high scores in benchmarks, then the story broke of how Intel and motherboard manufacturers were letting the CPUs clock as high as possible until they hit the thermal limit. Then mine started to fail I think about a year after I got it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago In the 486 era (90s) there was a not official story about the way Intel marked its CPUs: instead of starting slow and accelerate until failure, start as fast as you can and slow down until it doesn't fail. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 21 points 10 months ago (8 children) Even within the same socket family, looking at you lga1151, can you run into compatibility problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (7 children) I think AMD also did a smart thing by branding their sockets. AM4, AM5, what do you think is going to be next? I bet it's AM6. What came after the Intel LGA1151? It wasn't LGA1152. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 15 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yea, for the customer it really doesn’t matter how many pins a certain socket has, only is it compatible or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) remember Socket 7? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I remember Slot 2 permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) AMD tried the Intel thing too by stopping support of past generation CPU on latter AM4 boards though. Only after public outcry did they scrap that. Wouldn’t put it past them to try it again on AM5. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Are there a lot of people wanting to plug Zen 1 chips into B550 motherboards? Usually it's the other way around, upgrading chip in an old motherboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 1 point 10 months ago It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing. There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago (7 children) I think AMD also did a smart thing by branding their sockets. AM4, AM5, what do you think is going to be next? I bet it's AM6. What came after the Intel LGA1151? It wasn't LGA1152. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 15 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yea, for the customer it really doesn’t matter how many pins a certain socket has, only is it compatible or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) remember Socket 7? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I remember Slot 2 permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) AMD tried the Intel thing too by stopping support of past generation CPU on latter AM4 boards though. Only after public outcry did they scrap that. Wouldn’t put it past them to try it again on AM5. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Are there a lot of people wanting to plug Zen 1 chips into B550 motherboards? Usually it's the other way around, upgrading chip in an old motherboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 1 point 10 months ago It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing. There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 15 points 10 months ago (3 children) Yea, for the customer it really doesn’t matter how many pins a certain socket has, only is it compatible or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) remember Socket 7? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I remember Slot 2 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) remember Socket 7? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I remember Slot 2 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago Holy shit, crosscompatibility between manufacturers? We came this close to the almighty above and still ended up where we are today 🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 6 points 10 months ago (2 children) AMD tried the Intel thing too by stopping support of past generation CPU on latter AM4 boards though. Only after public outcry did they scrap that. Wouldn’t put it past them to try it again on AM5. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Are there a lot of people wanting to plug Zen 1 chips into B550 motherboards? Usually it's the other way around, upgrading chip in an old motherboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 1 point 10 months ago It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing. There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Are there a lot of people wanting to plug Zen 1 chips into B550 motherboards? Usually it's the other way around, upgrading chip in an old motherboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 1 point 10 months ago It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing. There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip 1 point 10 months ago It can happen if the old motherboard failed, which was more likely than the CPU failing. There was talk of not providing firmware update for old chipsets to support new gen CPU as well, which is relevant to the cases you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 16 points 10 months ago (2 children) As a person that generally buys either mid-tier stuff or the flagship products from a couple years ago, it got pretty fucking ridiculous to have to figure out which socket made sense for any given intel chip. The apparently arbitrary naming convention didn't help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) It wasn't arbitrary, they named them after the number of pins. Which is fine but kinda confusing for your average consumer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 15 points 10 months ago Which is a pretty arbitrary naming convention since the number of pins in a socket doesn't really tell you anything especially when that naming convention does NOT get applied to the processors that plug into them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) It wasn't arbitrary, they named them after the number of pins. Which is fine but kinda confusing for your average consumer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 15 points 10 months ago Which is a pretty arbitrary naming convention since the number of pins in a socket doesn't really tell you anything especially when that naming convention does NOT get applied to the processors that plug into them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 15 points 10 months ago Which is a pretty arbitrary naming convention since the number of pins in a socket doesn't really tell you anything especially when that naming convention does NOT get applied to the processors that plug into them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago* I just read the other day that at least one motheboard manufacturer is bringing back AM4 since DDR4 is getting cheaper than DDR5, even with the "this isn't even manufactured anymore" price markup. That's only even possible because of how much long-term support AMD gave that socket. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) Or the 1200 different versions of CPUs. We just got some new Dell machines for our DR site last year and the number of CPU options was overwhelming. Is it really necessary for that many different CPUs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child) Tbf AMD is also guilty of that, in the laptop/mobile segment specifically. And the whole AI naming thing is just dumb, albeit there aren't that many of those permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Well this scheme seems much more reasonable and logical to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child) Tbf AMD is also guilty of that, in the laptop/mobile segment specifically. And the whole AI naming thing is just dumb, albeit there aren't that many of those permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Well this scheme seems much more reasonable and logical to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Well this scheme seems much more reasonable and logical to me. permalink fedilink source parent