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Ukraine’s Ground Robot Tore Through Russian Troops—So It’s Now Armed With a Grenade Launcher (united24media.com)
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Ukraine is set to field its first officially codified domestically built grenade launcher armed ground robot, after the Ministry of Defense approved the Droid NW 40 robotic combat system for service with the country’s Defense Forces, developer DevDroid said on December 23.

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[–] 27 points 10 months ago (30 children)

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I don't think it will be programmed that way.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The writer of the laws himself made his career by writing an entire book series with stories about pointing out where the laws break down.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In this case I think they're broken down immediately because they won't be used.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    1. Spend months in a meeting room with everything from ethicists and philosopher to machine learning specialists and developers to figure out each nuance of the rules

    2. or program it to kill everything until the batteries run down and send it out within the hour

    The answer in a war is always the second option.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    He did also do some stories about 'fixing' the laws but in every case that resulted in either limiting the robots capabilities in a restricting way or requiring them to have more power over people in ways that could be harmful to humanites self autonomy in the longrun.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I believe this is only for fully autonomous robots. These are human controlled, more like an rc car with an upgrade.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    But there are aerial drones currently in use that have AI targeting.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Actually autonomous? Or guided by computer vision? Technically CV is AI but not what concerns most people.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Ukraine has autonomous drones as autonomous as "there must be a tank around these parts, go destroy it!" and it executes.

    Now they even recognize the type of tanks, their armor, so that they target its known weak point, and if it can't, it targets the turret to make it at least unusable.

    They probably have something similar as a submarine drone they used to sink the Russian submarine (it was most likely too far and underwater for remote control, and the drones had to pick the right target, or had a precise map and not lose positioning).

    So they're probably close to make these slaughterbots also autonomous to some degree.

    I never imagined humanoid shapes to be the perfect Terminators except for infiltration anyway...

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    There are loops. Killing a few Russian invaders will prevent many Ukrainian killings.

    There's at least one story I can remember about that.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's a loophole. Surgeons hurt people in order to prevent a greater pain. ruZZia is just a cancer.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    It's seen as an unexpected loophole in the books. Similar to how a surgeon won't kill one healthy person to save two with their organs.

    At least on I,Robot

    Edit: also, on I,Robot they harmed very specific people with very calculated results. Not like going to war, even on the defensive side.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (11 children)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Where’s this from?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    The Foundation adaptation on AppleTV. Where, famously, spoilers

    Tap for spoilerDemerzel, this robot in the gif, kills lots of people by exploring the loophole that let robots commit genocide in supposed compliance with the 3 laws.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Holy shit. Random, I know but you just convinced me to check this out.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    the show is solid

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    If you start on season 1, don’t let that dumpster fire dissuade you from the rest of the show. Once you get past that, the show is solid

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    the empire story line is basically what holds that season together imo

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah the plot lines outside of that are kinda garbage. And I say that as a fan of the original books.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    yeah anything non empire is kinda bad until this latest season. idk if they condensed a lot of shit from the books or what, i never read them

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    It’s more that they sharply diverge from the core ethos of the books.

    Dumping the admittedly misogynistic bent of the source material was a great move (including switching the gender of one of the core protagonists). Pretty much every other change made around the foundation-centric plots was straight up poor show running and writing. It goes from high sci-fi to “just another future-y action show”. And many of the plot changes are just.. completely nonsensical.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    From the first time I read this as a kid, I recognized that in order for a robot to adhere to these rules, they would have to be programmed with these rules. A bad-faith robot builder could simply not include that programming.

    A bad-faith robot builder like literally every one that accepts US government contracts.

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