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9/10 times, there's your problem right there... (media.piefed.ca)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.world
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Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.

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[–] 5 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

To me it's not a loss

I think it's a loss to other people

These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all

That seems like you're going out of your way to ascribe malice

Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??

You can't think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?

Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn't even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?

I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater

This is your assumption. All I've said here is that I don't care, I'm only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I've glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I'm not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all

    I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.

    Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?

    I don't think this has the full context.

    You can't really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.

    ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.

    This is your assumption.

    How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.

    All I’ve said here is that I don’t care

    You've spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care.... which doesn't make it seem like you don't care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you've said as much here.

    it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.

    But you are engaging with them... I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren't posting about this and simply have it toggled off.

    Mightn't this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?

    Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.

    I did not mean it differently than typed. I said "to me it's not a loss" and I mean that. To me it's not a loss, to them it is.

    ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.

    And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it's immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.

    You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same

    No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don't view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.

    You've spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care.... which doesn't make it seem like you don't care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you've said as much here.

    Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I'm only repeating myself. I'm only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I'm not bothered if people decide to block ml because it's a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.

    But you are engaging with them... I am very confused

    No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn't resist engaging with me. I don't see what's confusing about this. I don't think I'm missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it's here, so I'm engaging with it. That doesn't mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It's kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.

    Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.

    Anyhow, I think I'll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don't think it's at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.

    Merry Christmas!

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago

    And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature.

    Sure, but I don't really think you've outlined good reason for feeling so.

    Are you dismissing the complaints about ml wholesale? If not, what of the fact that one cannot practically sift at such a fine grain level as looking at every single user?

    No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely,

    How does the former not inherently functionally include the latter?

    Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself.

    Is it possible that other people feel a legitimate sense of inconsistency in your comments, hence probing for more information? Or that people understand but disagree with some aspects of what you are saying?

    No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me.

    I think you've very much so misinterpreted my comment here and have taken a hostile tone due to that. My comment is referring to you engaging with the poster of this content.

    Your wording as if I would have any reason to need to resist engaging is an odd way to portray me as angry for having any questions about what seem to be an inconsistent set of opinions.

    That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.

    The misunderstanding here, is that you said you aren't missing anything by not being able to engage. This implies that you couldn't or wouldn't engage, but obviously your presence in this thread made that idea infeasible. That's what my confusion was referring to.

    It was (still is) unclear to me what you meant by that comment when you haven't referred to any actual way that you've been impacted by this, so it appears you are complaining that you don't care about a hypothetical thing that could but hasn't happened seemingly for no reason at all.

    Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not.

    This is truly getting ridiculous. Outlandish comparison to bring into this.

    Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.

    I've never claimed the opposite, and indeed that wasn't the point of that comment.

    I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.

    Actually in this very last sentence I think its pretty clear there is some contradiction. You say its a net negative, and this implies it matters any amount at all, or I suppose you could also hold the opinion that you don't care at all about the community but then why bother, and obviously just by way of using it you must to some degree.

    It just feels like you are trying to say "I have no dog in this race" to shield your opinion, when you very clearly do, hence debating it and hence the jump to anger present in this comment.

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