geneva_convenience comments on Noam Chomsky

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Indeed everyone who is anti Zionist is an anti Semite. Great analysis.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I get the sarcasm, but I think the case can be made that it's the exact opposite. Zionism is terrible for the Jews, both in the mythology and real wold consequences.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (5 children)

Zionism is awesome for Jews. They get special treatment and their own ethnostate where they get to steal houses and land from other people simply because they are Jewish.

80%+ of Jews worldwide support Israel for that reason. Because it benefits Jews and they are Jews and thus Israel benefits them.

Slavery wasn't "awful for white people because it gave them a bad rep" either. It very much directly benefitted them.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

Zionism is awesome for Jews.

After WW2 Jews essentially had a cultural golden ticket. They could have perpetually ridden the wave of being treated as the world's most victimized group forever. There was almost nothing worse a person could be than an anti-semite or Holocaust denier. Zionism broke that spell, and "anti-semite" has become a bad joke.

80%+ of Jews worldwide support Israel

Support Israel how though? 80% certainly don't support the current government, or the settlements. Also, look how many Americans support(ed) Trump. Does that mean Trump is "awesome" for Americans, or even for his supporters?

Slavery ... directly benefitted them.

I disagree. There were certainly material benefits but, ultimately, I don't think anyone is better off because of slavery. America still is unable to reconcile with it's own history, and that has had some pretty obvious consequences for everyone.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

Not at all. The Holocaust industry only took off after the 70s and mostly because intense Israeli lobbying efforts. This becomes very obvious when you see Holocaust museums supporting the modern day Holocaust in Gaza in the most twisted irony possible.

There is no such thing as the "current Israeli government". Israel is a Jewish surpremacist ethnostate and has been so since its inception. It's like "supporting Nazi Germany but that Hitler guy isn't very cool". Nazi Germany didn't revolve solely around Hitler. If he didn't exist some other guy would have been be the Fuhrer.

The entire industrial revolution was powered by slavery. Your logic makes no sense.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

The Holocaust industry only took off after the 70s and mostly because intense Israeli lobbying efforts.

What the fuck? Where do you think Israel as a Jewish ethno-state came from? Nobody gave a shit about Jews and the Holocaust, yet the western world decided out of nowhere to create a new state for Jews right after the Holocaust?

There is no such thing as the "current Israeli government". Israel is a Jewish supremacist ethnostate

Yes, it is, and the current government is the worst possible instantiation of that. An Israel that wasn't continuing to colonize new Palestinian land and wasn't committing a Palestinian genocide would still be a Jewish supremacist ethno-state. Even so, it's entirely within Israel's power to reform an egalitarian government with equal rights for everyone - not that I'm expecting it. That's three different models of Israel that are all entirely possible, so yeah, the current government is a thing that matters.

Israeli citizens are, as a group, pretty damn fascist. However, Jews outside of Israel are largely against the settlements and the genocide. Those Jews have to deal with the stain of the Zionist enterprise.

The entire industrial revolution was powered by slavery. Your logic makes no sense.

The entire industrial revolution? Uh, nope. Would the industrial revolution have happened without slavery? Yeah, I think it would have. Economically, slavery wasn't as efficient or "necessary" as the South claimed. Cotton farming or other slavery dominated industries didn't suddenly cease when slavery ended, (or technically was curtailed in most cases).

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

Israel came from rich Zionist Jewish influence in Britain and the world Zionist congress, leading up to the Balfour declaration. And colonization of Palestine and organizing before the Balfour declaration. This way before the Holocaust even happened. More Russians died during the Holocaust than Jews and the vast majority of Europeans don't even know that. It certainly has nothing to do with guilt.

You should really check up on your history. The industrial revolution happened because Europe had massive amounts of money to build schools and infrastructure from slavery.

After that Europe exploited colonies in Africa for oil and other resources.

Now that European colonization and theft is fading they are rapidly declining in wealth. Which is why they are gearing up with big weapons because exploiting the global south is the only way they know how to get ahead.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 point 10 months ago

Modern Israel was founded in 1948. Before that it was "British Palestine". If you really want to push it back it time, you might as well go back to the 17th century BC, but that would also be rather silly.

You no guys are a waste of my time. I'm done. Later.

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