▲ 624 ▼ Just vote to change things. (lemmy.ml) submitted 11 months ago by Twongo@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 178 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Take genocide for example, which seems to be the theme of the thread: we didn’t get the choice of no genocide, our only options were more vs less. Those are shitty options, but if we have that wiggle room, it’s worth voting for less in order to prevent more. Damage mitigation. Still genocide, still shitty options, but tangibly distinct options. Whether it would have been a “lesser” genocide is unfalsifiable. We’ll never really know. But I don’t have the faith in it that you have. I’m not sure what a more competent genocidal administration would have done. Consider what many US Palestinians did: threaten to withhold their votes if Harris didn’t say there was at least some daylight between herself and Biden regarding Gazans. And she wouldn’t even do that much. But that’s how you use the vote, if you use it at all. You use it as leverage. If the Democrats know you’ll “vote Blue no matter who” or “vote Blue no matter what,” then they’ll ignore you altogether, because you’re already in their pocket. You’ve made yourself irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago Half correct. Withholding votes won’t get their attention - we’ve seen that play out again and again. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. If neither withholding nor not withholding will get their attention, then you’re making an even stronger case against voting’s worth than I am. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Guy got totally lost in their argument. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. I don't know but I think at least 90% of the thread is exactly that, vote alone can't solve shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (3 children) Take genocide for example, which seems to be the theme of the thread: we didn’t get the choice of no genocide, our only options were more vs less. Those are shitty options, but if we have that wiggle room, it’s worth voting for less in order to prevent more. Damage mitigation. Still genocide, still shitty options, but tangibly distinct options. Whether it would have been a “lesser” genocide is unfalsifiable. We’ll never really know. But I don’t have the faith in it that you have. I’m not sure what a more competent genocidal administration would have done. Consider what many US Palestinians did: threaten to withhold their votes if Harris didn’t say there was at least some daylight between herself and Biden regarding Gazans. And she wouldn’t even do that much. But that’s how you use the vote, if you use it at all. You use it as leverage. If the Democrats know you’ll “vote Blue no matter who” or “vote Blue no matter what,” then they’ll ignore you altogether, because you’re already in their pocket. You’ve made yourself irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago Half correct. Withholding votes won’t get their attention - we’ve seen that play out again and again. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. If neither withholding nor not withholding will get their attention, then you’re making an even stronger case against voting’s worth than I am. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Guy got totally lost in their argument. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. I don't know but I think at least 90% of the thread is exactly that, vote alone can't solve shit permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago Half correct. Withholding votes won’t get their attention - we’ve seen that play out again and again. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. If neither withholding nor not withholding will get their attention, then you’re making an even stronger case against voting’s worth than I am. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Guy got totally lost in their argument. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. I don't know but I think at least 90% of the thread is exactly that, vote alone can't solve shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago Half correct. Withholding votes won’t get their attention - we’ve seen that play out again and again. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. If neither withholding nor not withholding will get their attention, then you’re making an even stronger case against voting’s worth than I am. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Guy got totally lost in their argument. Democrats would rather lose than change. If you want their attention and real change, you’ll need to do things other than vote. I don't know but I think at least 90% of the thread is exactly that, vote alone can't solve shit permalink fedilink source parent