▲ 47 ▼ Remember AES are BAD because evil evil COMMUNISM! (lemmy.ml) submitted 11 months ago by bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 9 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago The pure socialists’ ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed. The pure socialists had a vision of a new society that would create and be created by new people, a society so transformed in its fundaments as to leave little opportunity for wrongful acts, corruption, and criminal abuses of state power. There would be no bureaucracy or self-interested coteries, no ruthless conflicts or hurtful decisions. When the reality proves different and more difficult, some on the Left proceed to condemn the real thing and announce that they “feel betrayed” by this or that revolution. The pure socialists see socialism as an ideal that was tarnished by communist venality, duplicity, and power cravings. The pure socialists oppose the Soviet model but offer little evidence to demonstrate that other paths could have been taken, that other models of socialism — not created from one’s imagination but developed through actual historical experience — could have taken hold and worked better. Was an open, pluralistic, democratic socialism actually possible at this historic juncture? The historical evidence would suggest it was not. Decentralized parochial autonomy is the graveyard of insurgency — which may be one reason why there has never been a successful anarcho-syndicalist revolution. Ideally, it would be a fine thing to have only local, self-directed, worker participation, with minimal bureaucracy, police, and military. This probably would be the development of socialism, were socialism ever allowed to develop unhindered by counterrevolutionary subversion and attack. One might recall how, in 1918-20, fourteen capitalist nations, including the United States, invaded Soviet Russia in a bloody but unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the revolutionary Bolshevik government. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago and then stalin ate all the ukrainians with his giant spoon permalink fedilink source parent [–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago Bolshevik was a faction name in use after a split in 1903, the minority within the party, who chose the name because the amount of delegates leaving the congress instead of voting on resolutions gave the Bolsheviks the majority vote you're presenting it like they called themselves 'the majority' only after 1917 permalink fedilink source parent [+] ianrogers@mstdn.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Edie@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago Smells like stankies, am I right. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago The pure socialists’ ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed. The pure socialists had a vision of a new society that would create and be created by new people, a society so transformed in its fundaments as to leave little opportunity for wrongful acts, corruption, and criminal abuses of state power. There would be no bureaucracy or self-interested coteries, no ruthless conflicts or hurtful decisions. When the reality proves different and more difficult, some on the Left proceed to condemn the real thing and announce that they “feel betrayed” by this or that revolution. The pure socialists see socialism as an ideal that was tarnished by communist venality, duplicity, and power cravings. The pure socialists oppose the Soviet model but offer little evidence to demonstrate that other paths could have been taken, that other models of socialism — not created from one’s imagination but developed through actual historical experience — could have taken hold and worked better. Was an open, pluralistic, democratic socialism actually possible at this historic juncture? The historical evidence would suggest it was not. Decentralized parochial autonomy is the graveyard of insurgency — which may be one reason why there has never been a successful anarcho-syndicalist revolution. Ideally, it would be a fine thing to have only local, self-directed, worker participation, with minimal bureaucracy, police, and military. This probably would be the development of socialism, were socialism ever allowed to develop unhindered by counterrevolutionary subversion and attack. One might recall how, in 1918-20, fourteen capitalist nations, including the United States, invaded Soviet Russia in a bloody but unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the revolutionary Bolshevik government. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago and then stalin ate all the ukrainians with his giant spoon permalink fedilink source parent [–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago Bolshevik was a faction name in use after a split in 1903, the minority within the party, who chose the name because the amount of delegates leaving the congress instead of voting on resolutions gave the Bolsheviks the majority vote you're presenting it like they called themselves 'the majority' only after 1917 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago and then stalin ate all the ukrainians with his giant spoon permalink fedilink source parent [–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago Bolshevik was a faction name in use after a split in 1903, the minority within the party, who chose the name because the amount of delegates leaving the congress instead of voting on resolutions gave the Bolsheviks the majority vote you're presenting it like they called themselves 'the majority' only after 1917 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago and then stalin ate all the ukrainians with his giant spoon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago Bolshevik was a faction name in use after a split in 1903, the minority within the party, who chose the name because the amount of delegates leaving the congress instead of voting on resolutions gave the Bolsheviks the majority vote you're presenting it like they called themselves 'the majority' only after 1917 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ianrogers@mstdn.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Edie@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago Smells like stankies, am I right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago Smells like stankies, am I right. permalink fedilink source parent