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Capitalism is going to kill us all (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)

No, Capitalism will not make the Earth uninhabitable. It will kill very many things the longer it is part of our world, but you are subscribing to a liberal fatalist narrative that constructs the future as definitively destroyed because it does not resemble the world we live in. It's doomer shit that is painfully white.

How you got, "we don't need to end capitalism" I have no responsibility for. If I say it isnt infinitely powerful but must end as quickly as possible, what exactly do you think I'm advocating for?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Oh you're just basing everything on wishful thinking and vibes. Okay.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    My brother in Christ, you people are talking about capitalism as though it were a god. Have none of you seriously thought about like, doing something even when the world is less livable? Do you think everyone will just lay down and die because the world isn't as nice as it is today?

    This is not "wishful." This is fucking reality. Right this moment, you are working on a fantasy that is only appealing to settlers who would rather die than live in a world they are not comfortable in.

    So fucking tired of liberals here insisting that people should die because they only pretend to want to give up this way of life.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    You're talking about earth as if its a guarantee, not an incredibly fragile complicated thing.

    Best case scenario, we fix everything today², the next century or three is going to be rougher than you can really imagine. If it's not already too late to salvage-and it may be; we don't know for sure. Every moment we stay on this course things get worse. There's a lot we dont understand and every new revelation seems to amount to us being more fucked than we thought.

    We cannot fix anything before killing most/all of the oligarchs. They wont let us. No amount of cutting back and going green and switching to passive systems with society built around vegan electric trains matters a single fuck while oligarchs are still poisoning every option and building new coal plants to power the machine that murders truth. Portions of the planet are already becoming uninhabitable.

    Your insults are nonsense. You are not serious. Your hysterical climate denialism is an unwillingness to choose between killing the fuckers making the problem so the rest of us can crack down and fix our shit, or a graceful death. You're disgusting insistence that I kill myself¹ while insisting 'I'm not doing that and that my slave morality should be coddled' is absolutely devoid of virtue. Kill yourself if you like, but don't insist that those who dont are random words people called you in a mean voice, shitlib.

    ¹the current plan. Hence the drugs. I don't love any of you enough to die violently for a world I'm not gonna see unless i think the rest of you would follow through, and you wouldn't.

    ²go real hard on walkability and electric trains. Cars straight up get disassembled where they're currently parked and scrapped via cargo bike. Meat is off the shelves. No more commercial flights. No more disposable bullshit. Every spare hand to reclamation and remediation projects. Everything switched over to passive systems in all new construction. Maybe no more concrete.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    I actually had to read all of that because I cannoy believe someone is this intentionally misunderstanding. You seriously have to actually read about the shit you talk about because your usable knowledge is obviously very slim despite your confidence.

    You are fighting people who are not in this comment thread. Not only did I never say capitalists (no, not "oligarchs" like this is about individuals and not a system) should not be killed, I asked you to actually think about why youre making this incomprehensible assumption in the context of my comments. What do you think I mean when I say capitalism is both fragile and an immediate threat? Slave morality? You're not even talking about anything at that point; it's so contained to your own misunderstanding of what has been said here.

    It is incredible to hear someone so dedicated to the settler way of life call me a lib. Blocked.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're right, capitalism won't make the Earth completely uninhabitable. Many mass extinction events have occurred in our planet's past, and life has always eventually recovered (obviously).

    However, capitalism will destroy our planet's ability to sustain our society, and eventually our species, and it is doing so at an alarming rate. To disagree, at this point, is to ignore an amout of scientific evidence so substantial, it amounts similarly to denying the Earth is round.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    My god, three of you who won't read. I'm just going to block you after this because this is getting silly.

    Yes, I said that at least five times throughout this thread. My exact criticism is that liberals subscribe to fatalist narratives because they cannot or will not imagine an alternative to this society. Nowhere anywhere in this thread did I suggest climate change is not destructive.

    The amount of you who cannot seperate these ideas is itself proof of what my comment argues. It is literally incomprehensible to you to accept climate change's existence as well as the reality of living in a world that will be changed because of it. Fatalist narratives appropriate scientific evidence in the service of reproducing the social conditions that have facilitated climate change.

    A world less livable is one worth living in, but to those of you who would rather die than change, there is no such thing as a less livable world, just the destruction of this one.

    Fuck's sake with the liberals on this site. Fucking develop some humility before you assume you know everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I can read just fine. You're asserting that climate change should be embraced because we'll learn to "live with it." I'm pointing out that you're ignoring a giant mountain of evidence that says the best case scenario is that ten percent of our species survives. So, if we're understanding each other correctly, ninety percent of humans dying is the "new normal" you're saying we should be cool with, and I'm not cool with that.

    I just realized you're from .ml. Please block me, I can't stand you assholes anyway.

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