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‘The public has been lied to’: secretly made documentary insists that aliens exist Discussion (www.theguardian.com)
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The Age of Disclosure is a new film featuring high-ranking government officials who claim proof of extraterrestrial life has been covered up

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[–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

UFO enthusiasts should read speculative Sci Fi like Orion's Arm or Project Rho.

Like... if aliens exist, and they have the capability to travel across galaxies to get here, they aren't octopuses in flying saucers that we can detect. They're basically omniscient and invisible. Their ships would look more like this:

https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/480a48b000f5b

It can redirect the path of a snowflake or rip a moon to fragments. It can accelerate a pebble into a habitat-shattering kinetic bomb or decelerate a RKKS projectile to harmlessness. It can reach down to a planetary surface from orbit and lift a sophont into space or shatter the crust of a world.

And that's a ship that wants to be seen, restricted to plausible physics humans can imagine, from a 'primitive' civilization with a mere 14,000 lightyears of expansion. That's nothing on an astronomical timescale.

Point being it's ridiculous to think we'd detect atmospheric UFOs, or that they'd even need atmospheric UFOs. It's anthropic fallacy. If they want to stay hidden (and astrophysical objects like re-arranged stars don't give them away), they can stay hidden.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Also, everyone assumes human scale. Why wouldn't an alien craft be half an inch long?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    There's a passage in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy about that, if I remember right. Some alien species is grievously offended by something Earth does (unknowingly). They marshall their proudest battle fleet and commence an invasion of the planet. However, "due to a small miscalculation in scale, the entire fleet was swallowed by a passing small dog."

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    A typical galaxy is around 100 billion stars. I think you mean "across the galaxy"

    Edit: someone literally down voted a science fact

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    My thinking is that aliens 'observing us' would probably be extragalactic in origin.

    If they aren't, that implies at least two sets of civilizations arose in the same galaxy, which implies a whole lot more are out there and kinda twists the Fermi Paradox. See:

    One great mystery has puzzled thinkers for millenia, a mystery which first became apparent even before the first space flight. If intelligent life existed anywhere else in our Galaxy, why had it not colonised the earth long ago? This question was first posed by the classical age physicist Enrico Fermi, but was refined a few years later by Frank Tipler, who realised that if any intelligent species developed self-replicating probes, then it could explore and ultimately colonise the galaxy in a few tens of millions of years. But this had not happened.

    https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/47faddfe17122

    The Ginnungagap Theory was advanced to explain why the entire universe has not been converted to a single technosphere by the earliest intelligent beings or any of their successors.

    https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/464e942db2789

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