RiverRock comments on Hey capitalism how's it goin?

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Ah yes, the system responsible for the production, allocation and hoarding of every resource and service in our entire civilization, the system that creates every single incentive by which we are motivated or punished, simply must not be responsible for this. It must just be "some other horror."

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 2 points 11 months ago (9 children)

It's an ethical judgement, not capitalist

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (8 children)

What, you think "ethics" is something that exists independently of the social order that creates it? It's capitalist ethics, just like marrying your daughter to some nobleman twice her age in exchange for some cows was feudal ethics.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 1 point 11 months ago (7 children)

Your example includes the transfer of wealth in the story and yes I agree it's likely the driving force behind the event.

This OP doesn't have the same pointy capitalist part. It is only being assumed so. I'm not oblivious to the type of community this is but the blind hatred of capitalism is just that. Blind.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

Dawg at this point you're just saying words.

This OP doesn’t have the same pointy capitalist part.

What does this even mean?

Love to be accused of being blind by someone who speaks in vague cliches and can't even make a coherent point

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I wasn't accusing you directly, and this is social media, not a white paper. The point being that it is easy to just paint "capitalist" on everything and argue how it is bad, however that is a lazy rhetoric and instead feels like just being cynical and fault-finding for the sake of it.

Neither the meme itself or the article it is referring, mention financial gain as the motivator.

I am cynical of capitalism as much as the other, but each story/article should be discussed in good faith with evidence to corroborate any accusation of cause. In this case, I don't agree capitalism is the cause, and if you do, I'm open to discussion if its not in bad-faith.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

I wasn’t accusing you directly,

No, you were just doing it indirectly

The point being that it is easy to just paint “capitalist” on everything

Everything that concerns the production, distribution and allocation of goods and services, yes. Because it's the nature of capitalism that it must paint itself onto everything, commodity everything, continuously expand into new "markets", no matter how depraved. Take it up with the economic system that causes this process, not the people pointing it out.

Neither the meme itself or the article it is referring, mention financial gain as the motivator.

Do you think this hypothetical corpse-breeding industry would somehow not be, you know, an industry? Do you think it would somehow be immune to the all-consuming profit motive that's strangling every other part of life for most of the human race right now? Of course it would be commodified!

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Everything

Everything? Like everything?

How can anyone have a discussion if you blanket the world in a single argument.

Edit: There are some questionable (more than that, but trying to be polite) surrogate practices in post-soviet countries such as Ukraine/Georgia.

Where I'm from surrogate for financial gain is illegal, and where I'm currently living surrogacy is banned entirely.

What should prevent something like this from occurring in the first place, is ethics, not capitalism. Sure, I agree that any large enterprise in a capitalist environment would be influenced by capitalist tendencies, but the same decisions could be made in a socialist world. That is what makes me say "its not capitalism", as these decisions could be made for a variety of reasons and in this case it doesn’t look to be financially motivated. It may become financially motivated down the line, but you can't blame the economic system at the time.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Everything? Like everything?

Everything that concerns the production, distribution and allocation of goods and services

Damn, sorry to hear about your reading troubles, prayers up🙏

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Sigh, I knew you were trolling, but tried not to jump to conclusions. Quick look at your profile and I see you are having several simultaneous bad-faith arguments on multiple threads. I feel stupid for falling for it. Will block and move on.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago*

sigh

Barf

Quick look at your profile and I see you are having several simultaneous bad-faith arguments on multiple threads. I feel stupid for falling for it. Will block and move on.

"Bad faith is when someone refutes the dumbass capitlalist premises that have brought us to fascism, anyway I will be running away now, making me the victor."

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