I honestly don't know how people can be so judgmental about a technology. AI is just a tool that can be sometimes be very helpful if you trust the users' critical thinking skills and the ability to smell bullshit. Most of the problems associated with AI are just a consequence of shitty business models and a mediocre mode of production (Capitalism) "Judging by what I see in the comments on the posts about Firefox’s potential AI feature integrations, the apparent path that critics are recommending as an alternative browser is “I’ll yell at you until you stop using ChatGPT”. Consider this post my official notice: that strategy hasn’t worked. And it is not going to work. The only thing that will work is to offer a better alternative to these users. That will involve defining what an acceptably “good” alternative AI looks like, and then building and shipping it to these users, and convincing them to use it. I’m hoping such an effort succeeds. But I can guarantee that scolding people and trying to convince them that they’re not finding utility in the current platforms, or trying to make them feel guilty about the fact that they are finding utility in the current platforms, will not work.And none of this is exculpatory for my friends at Mozilla. As I’ve said to the good people there, and will share again here, I don’t think the framing of the way this feature has been presented has done either the Firefox team or the community any favors. These big, emotional blow-ups are demoralizing, and take away time and energy and attention that could be better spent getting people excited and motivated to grow for the future."anildash.com/2025/11/14/wantin#AI #GenerativeAI #Mozilla #Firefox #AIBrowser #OpenAI #ChatGPT

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[–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

My own question is: Why make another chatbot and summary service? There's already a plethora of them. Why not instead use those resources to make the browser better? I bet there's way more to do than the occasional shortcomings I see, maybe get on par with their competition with WebGL, WebGPU, WebRTC... Why not truly innovate and develop something new? An interface for their awesome local (AI) translation service? And the rest of the missing languages? Or something with privacy? That's their big advantage over their main competitor...Instead they don't innovate and spend their resources on yet another chatbot nobody asked for. (Though realistically, maybe there is some demand for this as well. My point is just it's not innovative, Google is better at AI either way, so they're still second to Chrome and continue to lose market share.)

And with most people it's probably the general sentiment towards AI. Bad for the planet as we ramp up dirty fossil fuels, it's exploitative, shoehorned into everything, and Mozilla didn't re-invent any of that.

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    @hendrik Implementing one thing doesn't make the other impossible. Specially if it something that could improve the popularity of Firefox as a modern web browser.

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    Sure. Doing everything is something that can be done by companies with abundant resources. My point was more how that isn't the situation for Mozilla. They have limited resources available. They already laid off developers, they don't have a lot of money these days and their market share isn't great either. I think they need to pick their fights. It's either one project or the other one. And it's been like that for some time. We already had the discussion whether it's clever to invest in side-projects. Or Pocket. Or have the same developers work on the browser itself. And then there's Thunderbird as well and I really think the UX could benefit from some modernization. Thunderbird Pro sounds nice and they could provide the server side of it to businesses, now's the time for projecs like that. It'd need money and developers, though.

    I really think chasing their competition with similar features and delivering a slightly worse alternative is going to lead to less and less market share unless Firefox becomes meaningless in the grand picture. And they need to grow to attract money and add developers. At this point I don't see how that'd work unless they deliver something better than Google. In my eyes that's something like the Plugin interface which Google messed up. That could have been a selling point for Firefox. Or privacy features. Or just a solid, fast and reliable browser which feels better to their users. Even if that's mostly marketing. And I think they regularly waste those opportunities. Sure, hypothetically they could do a lot of stuff. It's just that they rarely do.

    And then AI is a bit of a weird one in my opinion. I think Firefox has roughly 3% market share these days. That's probably the last remaining Linux nerds and privacy advocates... And they try to sell cloud services and AI to them which is kinda the opposite of privacy. So what do we expect to happen? I think they're likely going to lose their last few users with these kind of business decisions. At least it's not clear to me whether they really cater to their core user base any more. And this could be problematic for the future of Firefox, Thunderbird and their entire company. Idk. It's not my call and I have little to no idea about the business side of things, but it doesn't feel like a good fit to me.

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