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[–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

More unrelated strawman arguments.

  1. I said I'd rather China veto'd

  2. I explained that China is meaningfully supporting, like reconciling Fatah and Hamas

  3. I explained that the PRC's non-interventionist foreign policy is different from the soviet's, and that generally I prefer the soviet policy

  4. Your point wasn't that China isn't doing anything, but that it's an imperialist country trading Palestinian lives for favors, with no evidence.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)
    1. same
    2. Meaningfully supporting Israel now by giving it a UN mandate to colonize Palestine. I can also point to the West being the biggest UNRWA donor. Whitewashing deeds don't meaningfully change any of this.
    3. This is imperialism. They support an international colonization force now.
    4. It's beyond obvious that this is a pragmatic move by China to sell out Palestine in exchange for US concessions elsewhere. Russia instantly presented a similar Ukraine draft, and China got Nexperia back. Those are two things that come to mind. If you're saying that China didn't get anything in return for this vote then they wouldn't just be imperialist but also stupid. But certainly no concessions for Palestine.
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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    1. Cool.

    2. China is not supporting Israel, nor the plan. They've already said they are dedicated to building a Palestinian state and that the current plan doesn't include that, and they also stated that disarmament is unacceptable.

    3. Wrong on two counts. China is not aiding or supporting the colonization, they just haven't taken an interventionist approach to stopping it like we would both likely prefer. Either way, this is not imperialism on China's part. Imperialism is a form of international extraction, the reason the west is imperialist with respect to Palestine is because they need the settler-colonial project as a landlocked aircraft carrier. China doesn't rely on the same international extraction, nor is it one of the active participants in colonizing Palestine. At worst, it's insufficient in its actions.

    4. You keep saying I'm using the same logic as Kamala supporters, but here you are saying "it's beyond obvious" and gesturing to things that don't have clear connections. This kind of baseless bashing is exactly what liberals do.

    I'd appreciate if you answered this directly:

    Do you believe China is imperialist, or insufficiently anti-imperialist? Which is it?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (1 child)
    1. They voted for the colonization plan haha are you going to tell me Kamala Harris supports a two state solution too?

    I will not respond to anything else this is a massive waste of time.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    The DNC was and is actively arming the IDF and is part of the same country planning and pushing for the colonization plan. This is ridiculous. China abstained, restated its continued goal of Palestinian statehood, and has stated that the resistance cannot be disarmed. China isn't the one arming the IDF, nor is it the one pushing the colonial plan. These are entirely different.

    You're pulling the same shit as those who said voting for PSL or not voting was a vote for Trump, literally doing liberal gymnastics right now, and accusing me of doing the same.

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