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[–] 52 points 11 months ago (25 children)

This is funny, but just to be clear, the firms that are doing automated trading have been using ML for decades and have high powered computers with custom algorithms extremely close to trading centers (often inside them) to get the lowest latency possible.

No one who does not wear their pants on their head uses an LLM to make trades. An LLM is just a next word fragment guesser with a bunch of heuristics and tools attached, so it won't be good at all for something that specialized.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    I hate that ai just means llm now. ML can actually be useful to make predictions based on past trends. And it's not nearly as power hungry

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Do you have an example of some games that use small neural networks for their NPC AIs? I was under the impression that most video game AIs used expert systems, at least for built-in ones.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    As I understand, chess AIs are more like brute force models that take the current board and generate a tree with all possible moves from that position, then iterating on those new positions up to a certain depth (which is what the depth of the engine refers to). And while I think some might use other algorithms to "score" each position and try to keep the search to the interesting branches, that could introduce bias that would make it miss some moves that look bad but actually set up a better position, though ultimately, they do need some way to compare between different ending positions if the depth doesn't bring them to checkmate in all paths.

    So it chooses the most intelligent move it can find, but does it by essentially playing out every possible game, kinda like Dr Strange in Infinity War, except chess has a more finite set of states to search through.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    What's most annoying to me about the fisasco is that things people used to be okay with like ML that have always been lumped in with the term AI are now getting hate because they're "AI".

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    What's worse is that management conflates the two all the time, and whenever i give the outputs of my own ML algorithm, they think that it's an LLM output. and then they ask me to just ask chat gpt to do any damn thing that i would usually do myself, or feed into my ml to predict.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    ? If you make and work with ml you are in a field of research. It's not a technology that you "use". And if you give the output of your "ml" then that is exactly identical to an llm output. They don't conflate anything. Chat gpt is also the output of "ml"

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    when i say the output of my ml, i mean, i give the prediction and confidence score. for instance, if there's a process that has a high probability of being late based on the inputs, I'll say it'll be late, with the confidence. that's completely different from feeding the figures into a gpt and saying whatever the llm will say.

    and when i say "ml" i mean a model I trained on specific data to do a very specific thing. there's no prompting, and no chatlike output. it's not a language model

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    The best use I've gotten out of GPT is troubleshooting Rimworld mod list errors, often I'll slap the error in and it'll tell me exactly which mod is the issue, even when it can't the info I get back narrows it down to 4 or 5 suspects

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    The investors must be very proud.

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  • I know right? Billions of dollars for rimworld tech help. Though it understands that far better than the time I tried to see if it knew GURPS, it was hilariously bad at mechanics, did give me an interesting skill idea I hadn't considered for my isekaid wizard, turns out the Teaching skill is really important when the game becomes about starting a wizard school

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Eh... Wdym. The algos that trade fight in the micro second level. They adapt to each other and never stop changing. It's exactly the same problem. Do you think llm is a unique neural net ? They all work the same. When you try to sound like ml is not the same as llm or as if ml is neural nets you don't help anyone understand any of those concepts because you don't yourself

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That is a crazy amount of nonsensical word salad to use to try to call someone else out for lacking understanding.

    I mean just the flawed idea that all trading algos are all neural nets, or that all neural nets are the same or that the rectangle of ML doesn't include neural nets.. These are all wildly erratic non sequiturs.

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