▲ 108 ▼ Bluesky is more open than you think. (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 1 year ago by irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) That seems a very good way to phrase it. The next issue then becomes cost. Which affects Lemmy as well: first there is the requisite effort to set up and self-host even a tiny instance (especially as it relates to potential spam and CSAM attacks), and second the network traffic costs. The latter may be tiny for a single user who only subscribes to a handful of communities, but someone trying to browse All and wanting everything to be available for their perusal (even if deleted soon-ish for storage reasons) will bear a much higher burden. Which depending on local costs may be trivially easy... or prohibitively expensive, but in either case the more data that someone wants to pull in the higher the cost. And I imagine that Bluesky is either similar, or significantly worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) One issue for me, and this is also true of Mastodon and by extension Mbin, is that I greatly prefer the voting and focus on a topic area rather than person. X / Twitter / Mastodon / Bluesky is where celebrities go to increase their profits, fame, and relevance, while Reddit / Lemmy / PieFed (/ + nodeBB + flarum + others) are where we discuss matters of import. I'm not criticizing your post here - this is definitely the correct community to discuss such matters:-) - just interjecting my personal preferences into the conversation, to disclose my own biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago Very nice 👌 I hope we will see more applications for these protocols as time passes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (8 children) That seems a very good way to phrase it. The next issue then becomes cost. Which affects Lemmy as well: first there is the requisite effort to set up and self-host even a tiny instance (especially as it relates to potential spam and CSAM attacks), and second the network traffic costs. The latter may be tiny for a single user who only subscribes to a handful of communities, but someone trying to browse All and wanting everything to be available for their perusal (even if deleted soon-ish for storage reasons) will bear a much higher burden. Which depending on local costs may be trivially easy... or prohibitively expensive, but in either case the more data that someone wants to pull in the higher the cost. And I imagine that Bluesky is either similar, or significantly worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) One issue for me, and this is also true of Mastodon and by extension Mbin, is that I greatly prefer the voting and focus on a topic area rather than person. X / Twitter / Mastodon / Bluesky is where celebrities go to increase their profits, fame, and relevance, while Reddit / Lemmy / PieFed (/ + nodeBB + flarum + others) are where we discuss matters of import. I'm not criticizing your post here - this is definitely the correct community to discuss such matters:-) - just interjecting my personal preferences into the conversation, to disclose my own biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago Very nice 👌 I hope we will see more applications for these protocols as time passes. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) One issue for me, and this is also true of Mastodon and by extension Mbin, is that I greatly prefer the voting and focus on a topic area rather than person. X / Twitter / Mastodon / Bluesky is where celebrities go to increase their profits, fame, and relevance, while Reddit / Lemmy / PieFed (/ + nodeBB + flarum + others) are where we discuss matters of import. I'm not criticizing your post here - this is definitely the correct community to discuss such matters:-) - just interjecting my personal preferences into the conversation, to disclose my own biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago Very nice 👌 I hope we will see more applications for these protocols as time passes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) One issue for me, and this is also true of Mastodon and by extension Mbin, is that I greatly prefer the voting and focus on a topic area rather than person. X / Twitter / Mastodon / Bluesky is where celebrities go to increase their profits, fame, and relevance, while Reddit / Lemmy / PieFed (/ + nodeBB + flarum + others) are where we discuss matters of import. I'm not criticizing your post here - this is definitely the correct community to discuss such matters:-) - just interjecting my personal preferences into the conversation, to disclose my own biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago Very nice 👌 I hope we will see more applications for these protocols as time passes. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago Very nice 👌 I hope we will see more applications for these protocols as time passes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Last post 4 days ago, that makes Lemmy look like a beehive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent [+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kierunkowy74@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago I blame this on an UX blunder. Bluesky users are taught not to enter their Bluesky passwords to enter different apps, but rather create a different "app password" for each one. Then Frontpage went OAuth which directs users to Bluesky login page. Bluesky brings us a different login page for OAuth use :/ and obviously does not remember that we are already logged in in the same browser. This of course means that we have to enter a Bluesky password to a slightly different-looking website - a somewhat fishy way to authenticate a user... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago https://azsky.app/ tries to use Bluesky's feeds to simulate something like communities. I think it focuses too much on piggybacking off bsky content to be useful though, like forums and microblogs are different paradigms and a different UI isn't going to change that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago Very nice 👌 I hope we will see more applications for these protocols as time passes. permalink fedilink source parent