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Today's a good day (lemmy.world)
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[–] 25 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

I find it very interesting that it was put up to a vote in California. In Texas, the legislators just took it upon themselves to cheat. "Going high" is going to bite the dems in the ass eventually, though.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Texas doesn’t allow for citizens to gather signatures to put something directly on the ballot. The politicians control everything.

    CA citizens used a citizen-led ballot initiative to take the redistricting keys away from the legislature. Stuff like this has to go before voters in CA.

    The people are more in control in CA.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "Going high", in this case referring to using democratic principles to govern? That's not going high, that's how the system is supposed to work.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Things are so bad that 'not cheating' is taking the high road, yeah

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, they are cheating, just with the blessing of the public. Like gerrymandering isn't a thing you should be able to do, fullstop, but it isn't something normally possible to do in California.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Working within a broken system isn't cheating though. Cheating means you're breaking the rules.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, there's a California rule that states that redistricting is done by a non-partisan commission. This explicitly sidesteps that process. They're breaking a rule with permission but they're still breaking a rule.

    If your DM rules that you can have two actions in a turn without reason, it's still cheating.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I'd argue this is explicitly not cheating. Revising the rules though a democratic process IS democracy.

    The D&D example is closer since it doesn't explicitly call for buy-in from the whole table, but the first and only rule of D&D is to have fun with the DM being chief facilitator. The PHB and DMG are just suggestions. If this favoritism caused others in the party to feel slighted, then it would be 'cheating'.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    No, it is not, DM has absolute power and can do whatever he wants, this is no cheating, this is just how DnD works.

    And, in a true/healthy democracy, rules can be changed by demo as they have the cracy. Anything else would be cheating.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It HAD to go before a vote in Cali. We didn’t have a choice politically since our independent election map commission is enshrined into the state constitution. In Texas they don’t have anything remotely enshrined into their constitution so for us here in Cali we had to put it to the people and even then it’s sorta weak since it has an exact end date in 2030. It’s only here for one cycle before it falls off and goes back. Which could be dangerous if the other states don’t stop gerrymandering.

    That or we’ll just leave next time.

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