lightnsfw comments on ICE's 'Frightening' Facial Recognition App is Scanning US Citizens Without Their Consent

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

Sure, I just don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to require at all times.

It is. There's literally no reason they ever need to be masked.

Neither do. Police only need to be identifiable when using their authority, such as when making an arrest or dealing with protests, and in the latter case, only agency affiliation is necessary.

Disagree. Police serve the public. If they are working they should all be identifiable so they can't step out of line. Especially during protests. Otherwise we end up with priest getting shot in the eyes with pepper rounds.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

There’s literally no reason they ever need to be masked.

Cops have rights too. If an officer wants to wear a mask, I don't see any reason to deny them that. They must, however, identify themselves, the risk of someone pretending to be law enforcement is too great.

Police serve the public. If they are working they should all be identifiable

Agreed, I just don't think masks are the issue here. IMO, officers involved in protest duty should have their badge number on their uniform in a big enough font for a camera to pick up. Likewise, body cameras should be on and recording the entire time.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

They refuse to be held accountable or hold each other accountable across the board. They deserve nothing but to do their fucking job exactly as the public who they serve wills it. If they don't like it they can quit. They have abused any and every bit of latitude they've been given since the inception of police forces. They don't need masks, they don't need privacy while they're working. Any who want to hide should be fired immediately. If they don't have enough integrity to stand behind their actions they're in the wrong line of work.

They can turn off body cams, or refuse to answer questions of bystanders, or hide their badge numbers. They do it all the time. If they aren't allowed to wear masks at least people will have their faces to go off.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

The solution IMO isn't to make a bunch of rules to try to make them act better, the solution is to increase accountability. That means:

end qualified immunity - when tried in court, they should be held to similar standards as citizens
change how investigations of police officers happens - AG role should change to protect the people, not the state

At the same time, we should increase salaries of police officers to encourage good cops instead of power hungry cops, and perhaps have cash rewards for officers who turn in other officers for criminal violations.

If we focus on laws to force police to act better, they'll just give themselves a pass.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Being able to see their faces increases accountability.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago

Again, I don't think it really does.

Let's say I identify an officer that shot a pepper ball at a protester. Let's say I report it to the news, file a complaint, and file a lawsuit. Here's what I expect to happen:

news agency runs a small piece on the incident, perhaps naming the officer, perhaps not
police does an internal investigation and determines the officer was acting within their duties
lawsuit is dropped because I don't have standing (I'm not the victim), and if I did have standing, the agency might get fined and the officer retains their position

That's not real accountability IMO, real accountability would result in the officer getting investigated by the AG or something and potentially jailed for using excessive force.

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