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Almost 100,000 young men flee Ukraine in two months (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[–] -3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Industrial level is lower in the US.

We are comparing NATO to russia. I'm talking about US because alone it overpower russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing#List_of_countries_by_manufacturing_output

Keep in mind that while chinese industry produces a lot it is not necessarily the most advanced.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Chinese industry is some of the most advanced on the planet. I use US as an example, because industrial output is lower. Your list is measured in terms of dollars, not actual goods and output.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Chinese industry is some of the most advanced on the planet.

    Yes next to america and europe. Your original claim i'm reply to is that "NATO can’t field an actual war against Russia".

    If you want we can compare NATO and russia/china combined and see who has the strongest army and biggest war capabilities.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, not "next to," at this point China has surpassed the US and Europe in manufacturing in all but a few specialized fields.

    Secondly, saying that NATO can't field war against Russia doesn't mean that NATO can't try, or that Russia would single-handedly destroy all of NATO. Russia would win like Vietnam won against the US, by NATO failing to accomplish their goals without nuclear war.

    If it was China and Russia against NATO, it would similarly be devastating for all involved, but NATO wouldn't succeed in crushing Russia and China without nuclear war.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No, not “next to,” at this point China has surpassed the US and Europe in manufacturing in all but a few specialized fields.

    few specialized fields like war tech and industry which is what we are talking about.

    Secondly, saying that NATO can’t field war against Russia doesn’t mean that NATO can’t try, or that Russia would single-handedly destroy all of NATO. Russia would win like Vietnam won against the US, by NATO failing to accomplish their goals without nuclear war.

    Vietnam war was 60 years ago and nukes are older than that. War has evolved, USA wouldn't need a single nuke to destroy russia they are already doing it with propaganda and the leverage they have on markets.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, China is surpassing the US in industrial output and tech. China's 6th gen fighters are further along than the US's F-47, and China has far more industrial capacity. The tech is close enough that it won't make more than a marginal difference, but the industrial output absolutely will.

    The US is not destroying Russia, sanctions have just pushed Russia closer to BRICS. The largest social instability, I would say, is an increasing desire to return to socialism among the populace.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    China’s 6th gen fighters are further along than the US’s F-47

    How many of these china has? Speculated further development of fighters that aren't operative yet is a better metric to compare war power than US outclassing any other country in military spending for decades?

    The US is not destroying Russia

    USA pretty much defeated russia in the cold war and they are slowly finishing them as you can see today.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Information on quantities is minimal, but from what we know China is further along and these fighters have been spotted. Spending in China goes a lot farther thsn it does in the US.

    The USSR dissolved, yes, that doesn't mean the US is destroying the Russian Federation.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Information on quantities is minimal, but from what we know China is further along and these fighters have been spotted.

    USA has plenty of classified weapons we are not talking about. We are comparing assets we know of that already exists and that can be used to wage war today.

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