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[+] 25 points 1 year ago (30 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    This is a false equivalence. OP's post is saying that nobody, ever, should try to suggest Linux as an alternative to the problems- ethical, moral, or technical, with windows.

    And your stance is 'Well that seems about right, because there might be a post or two out of dozens or even hundreds that's slightly mean."

    My man, that has nothing to do with anything.

    OP's post is basically saying "I want the internet to be all about me. I don't like seeing people suggest Linux, it should go away, I don't want to hear about it, and everyone should do as I say." and that's not a stance that should ever be supported.

    You say 'are you giving people the same level of understanding you expect to receive from others' and it goes both ways. Guess what, I don't want to hear about people whining about how much Windows sucks ass for the hundred thousandth time when there are easy, better alternatives that they refuse to use. I'm not sitting here asking to be the main character of the internet though and demanding nobody ever talk about Windows problems ever again because 'they know what Windows is' or some nonsense like he is.

    Like, I get the stance you're trying to come from here, and it's a laudable one, but you're falling for the old trick of 'well, different views from mine can be valid! We should consider them equally!'

    And that's true... up to the point where that view is trying to quash other views. That's the only view you can't consider- is a view that attempts to eliminate other views. Paradox of tolerance (or contract of tolerance) in action. Used for a far sillier thing that usual, granted.

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  • The reaction to "I'm not your fucking therapist" being "Do you believe there is truly not a single valid reason to use windows whatsoever" is just as absurd IMO (though some of these threads show that, yeah, some people think that).

    The scenario described by OP is they're just complaining about something about Windows/iOS/whatever just to vent and these people come in thinking they're being helpful by mentioning an alternative. I've come to find that there's 2 (relevant) personality types; people who complain because it's cathartic, and people who complain because they want their problem solved. Linux users are overwhelmingly the latter. So, from their perspective, they see someone who is complaining yet expects people to just sit there and listen, hence the "I'm not your therapist" comment.

    I don't think any of that is new, except for maybe the OS part. As a kid I remember seeing a bunch of interactions like this and it's always been much more a personality than a culture thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    What if someone who's never heard of Linux reads the thread and misses an opportunity to hear about Linux?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Even those who don't know about the works of our lord and savior Linus, can still end up in Windows 11. We must spread the Good News so that as many as possible can be saved.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I spend a lot of time talking to normies, and it turns out most of them have never even heard of Linux. When they ask "what's Linux?" I answer "You know how some computers use windows and some are macs? Those are operating systems. Linux is an operating system made by communist nerds. It's free, it's faster and it's not trying to steal your data, because communism is more efficient."

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I guess I talk to cooler normies than you do. Many are open to change, but it won't come overnight. They need to keep being reminded. Familiarity bias will help them overcome mental inertia. "Oh, Linux, I've heard of that. Maybe I should look into it..."

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not going to dive into explaining Wine the first time someone's ever heard of Linux. I start with the elevator pitch where everything's great: It's better because anyone can contribute code, so it's been improved by all the smartest nerds on the internet. Making your code a trade secret is an inefficient system, Linux is smarter. Simple arguments anyone can understand.

    When the person thinks their own way into the problem: What do I do with all my windows apps? I give the answer: There's an app called Proton that can run any Windows software. It's better at running old windows software than Windows is. I'll help you install it.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You raise a very good point. It's important we remember some more empathy and understanding when we turn toward the internet.

    I think one of the biggest drivers of this problem is how all of our social medias and news constantly funnel us into context collapse. Even this post that we're commenting on. These posts of screenshots from other social medias are basically always more fuel for the context collapse fire.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    True. I can say for certain that the community is the biggest dealbreaker for Linux for me.

    I just don't want to be even associated with some of these mouth breathers, let alone call me one of them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Do you believe there is truly not a single valid reason to use windows whatsoever?

    Yes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Please get my Autodesk applications working for me oh sage one.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Please get my Autodesk applications working

    Uses proprietary software.

    Complains when proprietary software limits your freedom.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    its not always a choice what software you use

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you're referring to work software... then it's not your problem. Who cares if it works well?

    "Hey, that 30 second task you asked about is taking 30 minutes instead because the software we are forced to use sucks"

    They paid for the software, now let they either deal with the fact it's terrible or let them call the support center and ask for their help making the software work better. This "support" is often the entire reason they use to justify paying for the software, so go ahead, make use of it.

    Either way, not your problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I know this sounds like a grand stand but it's just going to get your ass fired lol. Autodesk is an industry standard.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fired for what? I didn't say refuse to do your job. I said don't waste any sleep if the software is bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah, I understood your earlier comment to mean to find some FOSS alternative.

    It now sounds like you meant "who cares if Autodesk is not performant if work forces you to use it", which I'm down with, and is honestly mentioned in the original post itself as a reason why folks complain without switching.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I'm saying both: for your personal life, don't use Windows and complain about it - use the much better alternatives, and the software that work on those.

    But for work... it also makes no sense to keep complaining about Windows or AutoDesk or whatever software you're forced to use. Sure, they suck, but work is work, close the door on your way back home and that's when your life actually matters - who cares if a simple task took ages because Windows decided to force an update? Laugh about it, imagine how your boss had to pay for the software AND lose efficiency so make even less money because of this decision.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    if you're using autodesk maya, its not easy to "just move over" to blender. projects don't just convert. I've been using mostly FOSS software my whole life, but even then, moving between FOSS stuff can be a pain sometimes.

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