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Which piefed instances defederate from the triad and similar instances? (piefed.social)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/piefed_help@piefed.social
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My home instance is down so I figured I’d make a piefed account since I recall them defederating from the tankie triad. This doesn’t seem to be the case any more? Any suggestions for such instances?

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[–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah I’ve done this already for ml but it’s one way right? I can’t see them but they can still interact with my stuff? Either way 2/3 isn’t half bad for the moment.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I feel you. Except for special circumstances I actually prefer not to block people so they can't stealth-disagree with me without me getting a chance to yell back at them in turn.

    Personally, my feeling is that it's also actually better not to shut out the triad instances. That's actually what they want. That is the entire reason and rationale why they block so aggressively, that they want to create a little bubble where no one calls them out on stuff. Shunning them just helps them do that. It's actually gotten worse in the time I've been around on Lemmy, I think, and I think it is from people turning them off at least as much as it is from their own blocks from their side. At present, they will sometimes come out and say stuff that is just total nonsense that is in line with the hivemind and then seem to be genuinely surprised if someone reacts negatively to it. And, they think that anything not in the triad is "the lib instances" and seem to think that it's a minority category or something, and again seem sincerely surprised sometimes if some indication emerges that it's not popular. I don't think that used to happen, I think they used to have an awareness of where the dividing-lines of different echo chambers were even if they and I would disagree about which one is "right."

    None of this is to say you shouldn't block them or find a fully defederated place of course. Just giving my thoughts on it.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Very fair points and I’ll definitely keep it in mind. I’ve mostly done it to try avoiding unnecessary toxicity but I might revise that in time when life settles down a bit. Appreciate the perspective and your posts I’ve seen around the verse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ay, thank you! Yeah like I said it wasn't trying to say you should need to subject yourself to anything you don't feel like subjecting yourself to lol. Blocking out stuff simply because you don't feel like it is sparking any joy is completely allowed I think.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I think there's a delicate balance here. Extremism thrives and tends to get even more extreme in bubbles. So in some ways it is vital that people actually try to make dialogue with them to potentially pull them back or at least keep them from drifting further. But on the other hand, once the extremist bubble is big enough, if you just let them interact with the rest, they can spread a lot of toxocity and do a lot of damage which you also want to avoid.

    So I don't think there's a clear-cut right choice here. If someone's up to it, actually making the effort to engage with them could be avery good strategy. But if someone's too stressed out by that, disengaging is clearly better.

    But I think this is where the fediverse model has unique potential to do something good here. Some communities can block, some can engage. Some users can block, some can engange or even flop back and forth. It allows for more dynamic relationships and choices which I think os absolutely vital when there's no one right choice to deal with a situation/group/person.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    once the extremist bubble is big enough, if you just let them interact with the rest, they can spread a lot of toxocity and do a lot of damage which you also want to avoid

    Yeah, 100% agree. There is a benefit to free exchange of communication, it is one of the most effective ways of tearing down authoritarian structures, but absolutely at the same time once it's interfering with your own quiet enjoyment and ability to communicate internally it might be time to shut it out. I actually sometimes just don't participate at all in the political communities on lemmy.world for exactly that reason; it is often so toxic that it shuts down even the ability for people to have a normal conversation. Such a noisy tide of people will emerge to exercise Lemmy Reading Comprehension and give random hostility that you can't hear the other calm people. That's also the issue with Hexbear. That whole event where one of the more permissive instances thought about refederating with them, and they immediately brigaded that very discussion post to hurl abuse at everyone and so the conclusion was "lol never mind," is a good example.

    There's also an important factor of whether the people in the community you're talking to are open to change. Lemmy.ml seems obviously to me to be mostly genuine people who are on some level interested in conversation and care about these topics, which is one reason I lean towards keeping engagement with them even if sometimes is a ridiculous conversation. But at the same time, I don't really fuck with Hexbear or with UniversalMonk much, because it just doesn't seem that there's much to be gained. If someone's whole overarching goal whenever they interact with outsiders is going to be "doing a bit," then what's the point. You're just the cat playing with their little toy-on-a-stick because they're waving it around, at that point.

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