▲ 643 ▼ Amazon Allegedly Replaced 40% of AWS DevOps With AI Days Before Crash (80.lv) submitted 1 year ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 69 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://blog.stackademic.com/aws-just-fired-40-of-its-devops-team-then-let-ai-take-their-jobs-d9db9d298bfa More evidence: https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/amazons-aws-cloud-computing-unit-cuts-least-hundreds-jobs-sources-say-2025-07-17/ but back in July this year.
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -7 points 1 year ago* (17 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (5 children) ....noooooo, it most definitely isn't. While the job does deal heavily in automating things, it only automates Boolean things. Looking at a platform and seeing why and where it's failing is not a Boolean thing, and never will be. It's the same reason we still don't have machines that repair cars over 100 years after their introduction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. DevOps engineers are already super skilled at using automation where appropriate, but knowing how and when to do that is still an extremely human task permalink fedilink source parent [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) 🤣 Okay bud, go and tell AWS, Google, Salesforce, and any other of these companies who think "AI" is an answer to everything, because they've all had very public outages due to this exact same thing in the past few months. You have no idea what DevOps is or how it works if you think any of this is easily done or solved with these junk tools. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Again, refer to my first comment because you're out of your league here 🤣🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Automation with a lot of validation steps that are not very obvious. Because if they were, we'd have automated them away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kcuf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Devops is often figuring out why automation didn't work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kcuf@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I feel like it's directly contradicting what you were implying... permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) DevOps is not executing the automation, but designing it. DevOps is not manually spinning up pods but writing the automation that does so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Try it out and you'll see. Amazon seems to be doing great with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure, clanker. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Amir@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Tried to figure out yesterday why a user couldn't ssh into a server, tried LLMs to figure it out, completely useless. Had to go into some log file somewhere to find out the one who set up the server made a specific group for ssh and if a user wasn't in that group they couldn't connect. The LLMs (ChatGPT and Gemini) gave me bullshit about changing flags in the sshd config... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Easy fix: give an LLM root access to all production critical servers and allow everyone in the company to chat with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) First reaction: fear. Second: I chuckled. Because I thought of some VP-level enforcing this joke as SOP. And then a little more fear, as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago Haha if that happens it is time to get out fast permalink fedilink source parent [–] sabin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Most of my work in DevOps isn't in front of my text editor writing scripts. It's spent hopping between dashboards, drafting emails, doing RCA, teaching dev team members how to use pipelines, and getting requirements from them for designing new pipelines. Then inevitably debating with them about design considerations when they ask for a set of procedures that won't pan out. Until your AI is a fully fledged team member who everyone can feel comfortable engaging with as if they were a real human, you cannot possibly begin to automate this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (5 children) ....noooooo, it most definitely isn't. While the job does deal heavily in automating things, it only automates Boolean things. Looking at a platform and seeing why and where it's failing is not a Boolean thing, and never will be. It's the same reason we still don't have machines that repair cars over 100 years after their introduction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. DevOps engineers are already super skilled at using automation where appropriate, but knowing how and when to do that is still an extremely human task permalink fedilink source parent [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) 🤣 Okay bud, go and tell AWS, Google, Salesforce, and any other of these companies who think "AI" is an answer to everything, because they've all had very public outages due to this exact same thing in the past few months. You have no idea what DevOps is or how it works if you think any of this is easily done or solved with these junk tools. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Again, refer to my first comment because you're out of your league here 🤣🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago Exactly. DevOps engineers are already super skilled at using automation where appropriate, but knowing how and when to do that is still an extremely human task permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) 🤣 Okay bud, go and tell AWS, Google, Salesforce, and any other of these companies who think "AI" is an answer to everything, because they've all had very public outages due to this exact same thing in the past few months. You have no idea what DevOps is or how it works if you think any of this is easily done or solved with these junk tools. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Again, refer to my first comment because you're out of your league here 🤣🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) 🤣 Okay bud, go and tell AWS, Google, Salesforce, and any other of these companies who think "AI" is an answer to everything, because they've all had very public outages due to this exact same thing in the past few months. You have no idea what DevOps is or how it works if you think any of this is easily done or solved with these junk tools. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Again, refer to my first comment because you're out of your league here 🤣🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Again, refer to my first comment because you're out of your league here 🤣🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Again, refer to my first comment because you're out of your league here 🤣🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My GAWD, child. W O W 🤦 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever. You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role. It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it. You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned. Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do. I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Automation with a lot of validation steps that are not very obvious. Because if they were, we'd have automated them away. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kcuf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Devops is often figuring out why automation didn't work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kcuf@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I feel like it's directly contradicting what you were implying... permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kcuf@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I feel like it's directly contradicting what you were implying... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kcuf@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I feel like it's directly contradicting what you were implying... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) DevOps is not executing the automation, but designing it. DevOps is not manually spinning up pods but writing the automation that does so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Try it out and you'll see. Amazon seems to be doing great with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure, clanker. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Try it out and you'll see. Amazon seems to be doing great with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure, clanker. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Try it out and you'll see. Amazon seems to be doing great with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure, clanker. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Sure, clanker. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Tried to figure out yesterday why a user couldn't ssh into a server, tried LLMs to figure it out, completely useless. Had to go into some log file somewhere to find out the one who set up the server made a specific group for ssh and if a user wasn't in that group they couldn't connect. The LLMs (ChatGPT and Gemini) gave me bullshit about changing flags in the sshd config... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Easy fix: give an LLM root access to all production critical servers and allow everyone in the company to chat with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) First reaction: fear. Second: I chuckled. Because I thought of some VP-level enforcing this joke as SOP. And then a little more fear, as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago Haha if that happens it is time to get out fast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Easy fix: give an LLM root access to all production critical servers and allow everyone in the company to chat with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) First reaction: fear. Second: I chuckled. Because I thought of some VP-level enforcing this joke as SOP. And then a little more fear, as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago Haha if that happens it is time to get out fast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) First reaction: fear. Second: I chuckled. Because I thought of some VP-level enforcing this joke as SOP. And then a little more fear, as a treat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago Haha if that happens it is time to get out fast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cute_noker@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago Haha if that happens it is time to get out fast permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sabin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Most of my work in DevOps isn't in front of my text editor writing scripts. It's spent hopping between dashboards, drafting emails, doing RCA, teaching dev team members how to use pipelines, and getting requirements from them for designing new pipelines. Then inevitably debating with them about design considerations when they ask for a set of procedures that won't pan out. Until your AI is a fully fledged team member who everyone can feel comfortable engaging with as if they were a real human, you cannot possibly begin to automate this. permalink fedilink source parent