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[–] geoff@midwest.social 41 points 1 year ago* (24 children) The red flag I see is the word “Caucasian” in his username. permalink fedilink source hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (4 children) Perhaps it's just to avoid confusing him with other varieties of Jameses out there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago maybe hes from the Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent [–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Given that I can think of at least three white guys names James off the top of my head that's a really stupid way to avoid confusion, and I feel like someone would only miss how stupid that was if they had a weird obsession with their own skin color, so it's actually two red flags permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Asian Jim is a character on the US version of The Office. I suspect this is a play on that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Ah yeah, that would make a lot more sense permalink fedilink source parent [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (14 children) I suspect it’s a joke based on The Office. Oe of the main characters is a Triscuit-American called Jim. There is a different character called Asian Jim. Caucasian James = white Jim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] planish@sh.itjust.works -19 points 1 year ago* (13 children) But "Caucasian" is now recognized as a racist term (in that using it produces racism), kind of because it's a science-y word for "white", an unscientific concept. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (6 children) Who recognizes "Caucasian" as a racist term? I'm asking this in all seriousness as I have never heard this before Caucasian should mean "from the Caucus mountain region" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which leads in perfectly to another joke from the US version of The Office where Dwight claims that Kelly, of Indian heritage, doesn’t qualify for their parent company Sabre’s “Print in All Colours” initiative because Indian people are technically Caucasian permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminds me of that old chestnut of the white guy from South Africa who, after emigrating to the US, got into trouble for stating he was "African-American." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) As a science term for "white", see "Too Many Scientists Still Say Caucasian" in Scientific American, also "Abandoning the word Caucasian" in the Journal of Genetic Counciling and "The Ongoing Incorrect Use of Caucasian in Medical Research" in the journal Health Equity. There are a bunch of scientists who think this. I think if you are actually describing something or someone from the actual Caucasus mountain region, it would be correct, but people might thing you meant "white" so even then you might be better off with "from the Caucasus Mountains". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Thank you for this. My understanding was “caucasian” applied to all groups that migrated through the caucuses and that’s why Persians and other non-European nations were included. To be clear Im in my 50s so the above could just be the result of institutionalized racism that never got addressed due to not having much in an education in sociology/ anthropology permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 point 1 year ago *Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yes? I suppose this doesn't exactly suggest it's deprecated in Twitter handles. But if the scientists have given up on it, why should normal people keep it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. A couple researchers suggesting a literary review of the specific usage of a word and how it is used in specific contexts within scientific literature is a far cry from the idea that scientists in general are claiming that the word caucasian is a generally racist word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hehe............................................................. Cock permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago You know what a chef's shirt is called in Swedish? Kock Rock permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Most likely a reference to the character Jim from Mark Twain’s book The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Although he wasn’t ever called “N****r Jim” in the actual book, the character was referred to by that name throughout the Jim Crow era. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago I support people being proud of their identities. You go James! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (4 children) Perhaps it's just to avoid confusing him with other varieties of Jameses out there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago maybe hes from the Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent [–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Given that I can think of at least three white guys names James off the top of my head that's a really stupid way to avoid confusion, and I feel like someone would only miss how stupid that was if they had a weird obsession with their own skin color, so it's actually two red flags permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Asian Jim is a character on the US version of The Office. I suspect this is a play on that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Ah yeah, that would make a lot more sense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago maybe hes from the Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Given that I can think of at least three white guys names James off the top of my head that's a really stupid way to avoid confusion, and I feel like someone would only miss how stupid that was if they had a weird obsession with their own skin color, so it's actually two red flags permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Asian Jim is a character on the US version of The Office. I suspect this is a play on that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Ah yeah, that would make a lot more sense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Asian Jim is a character on the US version of The Office. I suspect this is a play on that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Ah yeah, that would make a lot more sense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Ah yeah, that would make a lot more sense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (14 children) I suspect it’s a joke based on The Office. Oe of the main characters is a Triscuit-American called Jim. There is a different character called Asian Jim. Caucasian James = white Jim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] planish@sh.itjust.works -19 points 1 year ago* (13 children) But "Caucasian" is now recognized as a racist term (in that using it produces racism), kind of because it's a science-y word for "white", an unscientific concept. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (6 children) Who recognizes "Caucasian" as a racist term? I'm asking this in all seriousness as I have never heard this before Caucasian should mean "from the Caucus mountain region" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which leads in perfectly to another joke from the US version of The Office where Dwight claims that Kelly, of Indian heritage, doesn’t qualify for their parent company Sabre’s “Print in All Colours” initiative because Indian people are technically Caucasian permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminds me of that old chestnut of the white guy from South Africa who, after emigrating to the US, got into trouble for stating he was "African-American." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) As a science term for "white", see "Too Many Scientists Still Say Caucasian" in Scientific American, also "Abandoning the word Caucasian" in the Journal of Genetic Counciling and "The Ongoing Incorrect Use of Caucasian in Medical Research" in the journal Health Equity. There are a bunch of scientists who think this. I think if you are actually describing something or someone from the actual Caucasus mountain region, it would be correct, but people might thing you meant "white" so even then you might be better off with "from the Caucasus Mountains". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Thank you for this. My understanding was “caucasian” applied to all groups that migrated through the caucuses and that’s why Persians and other non-European nations were included. To be clear Im in my 50s so the above could just be the result of institutionalized racism that never got addressed due to not having much in an education in sociology/ anthropology permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 point 1 year ago *Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yes? I suppose this doesn't exactly suggest it's deprecated in Twitter handles. But if the scientists have given up on it, why should normal people keep it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. A couple researchers suggesting a literary review of the specific usage of a word and how it is used in specific contexts within scientific literature is a far cry from the idea that scientists in general are claiming that the word caucasian is a generally racist word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] planish@sh.itjust.works -19 points 1 year ago* (13 children) But "Caucasian" is now recognized as a racist term (in that using it produces racism), kind of because it's a science-y word for "white", an unscientific concept. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (6 children) Who recognizes "Caucasian" as a racist term? I'm asking this in all seriousness as I have never heard this before Caucasian should mean "from the Caucus mountain region" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which leads in perfectly to another joke from the US version of The Office where Dwight claims that Kelly, of Indian heritage, doesn’t qualify for their parent company Sabre’s “Print in All Colours” initiative because Indian people are technically Caucasian permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminds me of that old chestnut of the white guy from South Africa who, after emigrating to the US, got into trouble for stating he was "African-American." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) As a science term for "white", see "Too Many Scientists Still Say Caucasian" in Scientific American, also "Abandoning the word Caucasian" in the Journal of Genetic Counciling and "The Ongoing Incorrect Use of Caucasian in Medical Research" in the journal Health Equity. There are a bunch of scientists who think this. I think if you are actually describing something or someone from the actual Caucasus mountain region, it would be correct, but people might thing you meant "white" so even then you might be better off with "from the Caucasus Mountains". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Thank you for this. My understanding was “caucasian” applied to all groups that migrated through the caucuses and that’s why Persians and other non-European nations were included. To be clear Im in my 50s so the above could just be the result of institutionalized racism that never got addressed due to not having much in an education in sociology/ anthropology permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 point 1 year ago *Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yes? I suppose this doesn't exactly suggest it's deprecated in Twitter handles. But if the scientists have given up on it, why should normal people keep it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. A couple researchers suggesting a literary review of the specific usage of a word and how it is used in specific contexts within scientific literature is a far cry from the idea that scientists in general are claiming that the word caucasian is a generally racist word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (6 children) Who recognizes "Caucasian" as a racist term? I'm asking this in all seriousness as I have never heard this before Caucasian should mean "from the Caucus mountain region" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which leads in perfectly to another joke from the US version of The Office where Dwight claims that Kelly, of Indian heritage, doesn’t qualify for their parent company Sabre’s “Print in All Colours” initiative because Indian people are technically Caucasian permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminds me of that old chestnut of the white guy from South Africa who, after emigrating to the US, got into trouble for stating he was "African-American." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) As a science term for "white", see "Too Many Scientists Still Say Caucasian" in Scientific American, also "Abandoning the word Caucasian" in the Journal of Genetic Counciling and "The Ongoing Incorrect Use of Caucasian in Medical Research" in the journal Health Equity. There are a bunch of scientists who think this. I think if you are actually describing something or someone from the actual Caucasus mountain region, it would be correct, but people might thing you meant "white" so even then you might be better off with "from the Caucasus Mountains". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Thank you for this. My understanding was “caucasian” applied to all groups that migrated through the caucuses and that’s why Persians and other non-European nations were included. To be clear Im in my 50s so the above could just be the result of institutionalized racism that never got addressed due to not having much in an education in sociology/ anthropology permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 point 1 year ago *Caucasus permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which leads in perfectly to another joke from the US version of The Office where Dwight claims that Kelly, of Indian heritage, doesn’t qualify for their parent company Sabre’s “Print in All Colours” initiative because Indian people are technically Caucasian permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminds me of that old chestnut of the white guy from South Africa who, after emigrating to the US, got into trouble for stating he was "African-American." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminds me of that old chestnut of the white guy from South Africa who, after emigrating to the US, got into trouble for stating he was "African-American." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago I had a friend who moved to the US from South Africa as a kid. When "African-American" started being used she was very confused. She would ask "How is X 'African' when he was born in New Jersey and only speaks English while I was born in South Africa and speak Swahili and Xhosa is not African just because Im white?" It was then I started realizing how racist some of the attempts to counter racism ended up being. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) As a science term for "white", see "Too Many Scientists Still Say Caucasian" in Scientific American, also "Abandoning the word Caucasian" in the Journal of Genetic Counciling and "The Ongoing Incorrect Use of Caucasian in Medical Research" in the journal Health Equity. There are a bunch of scientists who think this. I think if you are actually describing something or someone from the actual Caucasus mountain region, it would be correct, but people might thing you meant "white" so even then you might be better off with "from the Caucasus Mountains". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Thank you for this. My understanding was “caucasian” applied to all groups that migrated through the caucuses and that’s why Persians and other non-European nations were included. To be clear Im in my 50s so the above could just be the result of institutionalized racism that never got addressed due to not having much in an education in sociology/ anthropology permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago Thank you for this. My understanding was “caucasian” applied to all groups that migrated through the caucuses and that’s why Persians and other non-European nations were included. To be clear Im in my 50s so the above could just be the result of institutionalized racism that never got addressed due to not having much in an education in sociology/ anthropology permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yes? I suppose this doesn't exactly suggest it's deprecated in Twitter handles. But if the scientists have given up on it, why should normal people keep it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. A couple researchers suggesting a literary review of the specific usage of a word and how it is used in specific contexts within scientific literature is a far cry from the idea that scientists in general are claiming that the word caucasian is a generally racist word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yes? I suppose this doesn't exactly suggest it's deprecated in Twitter handles. But if the scientists have given up on it, why should normal people keep it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. A couple researchers suggesting a literary review of the specific usage of a word and how it is used in specific contexts within scientific literature is a far cry from the idea that scientists in general are claiming that the word caucasian is a generally racist word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) No. A couple researchers suggesting a literary review of the specific usage of a word and how it is used in specific contexts within scientific literature is a far cry from the idea that scientists in general are claiming that the word caucasian is a generally racist word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I don't know that scientists in general (from chemists to seismologists) know it, but the people who study what scientists ought to call groups of people seem to have reached consensus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No, read the fucking link you provided, that is not at all what it’s saying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Oh I see, maybe this is saying more that people should abandon the term, not that they have already abandoned the term. I might be filling in the bit where people actually notice that they should indeed abandon the term and do so, which might not actually be happening. If you look at this article for example I think it supports your view: people often in practice continue using the term even though it has been discovered by some experts to be incorrect. That's not what a broad consensus in science and medicine overall would look like. I guess I think the people providing evidence that the term should not be used are in fact correct. I haven't seen a lot of support for the opposing view, so I think there is consensus among the people who professionally consider questions of terminology around race and ethnicity. None of the articles citing the first article I posted seem to be along the lines of "no we should keep it actually". So my view is that the field consists of people who know better and people who haven't bothered to think about the question, and the people who know better are probably right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hehe............................................................. Cock permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] stray@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago You know what a chef's shirt is called in Swedish? Kock Rock permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago You know what a chef's shirt is called in Swedish? Kock Rock permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Most likely a reference to the character Jim from Mark Twain’s book The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Although he wasn’t ever called “N****r Jim” in the actual book, the character was referred to by that name throughout the Jim Crow era. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago I support people being proud of their identities. You go James! permalink fedilink source parent