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Civil rights is cooked (discuss.online)
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[–] 99 points 1 year ago (43 children)

Democrats do deserve to be blamed for losing elections. If they ran better campaigns, if they read the room and actually responded to voters' concerns, maybe the GOP wouldn't have total control of all three branches right now.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Pretty hard to lose an election against Donald Trump but they've managed to do it twice.

    Maybe they should've ran a primary.

    Maybe they shouldn't have both sides-d every goddamned issue against their own fucking side. Trans rights. Palestine. Healthcare. Immigration. Housing.

    maybe they should've found a spine at some point in the last decade?

    Maybe they shouldn't have wheeled out liz fucking cheney in support of kamala harris?

    maybe they shouldn't have fucked bernie out of a run a cycle back.

    Democrats are not your friends

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I don't disagree with most of this, but saying 'beating Trump should have been easy' is kind of missing the point, too.

    Democrats missed all the signs that the country is in crisis, and ran their typical playbook anyway. Trump, for all his stupidity, actually saw the panic in the voting base and mirrored their frustration back at them.

    It was never going to be "easy" as long as they were pretending nothing was fundamentally wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They may not be my friends, but they are my allies.

    You can be with us or against us. The two sides are fascism and anti-fascism. If you refuse to choose, the fascism choice is made for you.

    Fight for primaries, sure. Primaries are important and there are choices to be made. But when it comes to actually fighting the Nazis you're either with us or against us.

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  • [+] -27 points 1 year ago (35 children)

    But what about genocide jooooooooeeeeee certainly that campaign had nothing to do with it.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    That's it! Distract from inadequacy by hand waving away support for a genocide! That's the ole Democratic playbook!

    Has it occurred to you that the kind of politician that will sell out to AIPAC to support a genocide is also the kind of politician that will have sold out to a miriad of other special interests and failed to inspire voters in a myriad of other ways?

    This is the triangulation curse that Bill Clinton brought to Democratic politics that is perpetuated by the Democratic consultancy complex. This a-la-carte tailoring of policies to give just enough to each group to make them feel special. That stopped working decades ago, and the Democrats still cling to it. We need leaders who know wrong from right and aren't afraid to say so. We need leadership that can inspire a population that cares about something more than the bottom line. Democrats didn't just fail to win elections, they destroyed the soul of this country. Then the demons moved in.

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  • [+] -35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Okay comrade.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh shit. I never saw it that way. Thanks for pointing it out. Now I’m convinced.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ok prole

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Tbh Biden could've shut them up pretty easily by not spending tax payer money on genocide. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Why does everyone assume that this would have won the election for Democrats?

    In fact, I keep being told that there weren't enough protest non-voters to sway the election for Trump. Just completely contradictory.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    There's absolutely way more simply apathetic non-voters who saw two candidates promising more austerity and genocide and said "shits fucked yo" and didn't bother. You can call those people stupid but you'd be dumber for thinking that will get them to vote for your candidate.

    If anything the uncommitted campaign was warning about that.

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  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Yup. Now we got Trump, who is doing such a good job right? Exactly who you wanted for the US.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe people don't want to chose between shades of shit. Maybe people want to vote for something. Maybe Dems should realize that and stop being GOP light. Blaming the voters definitely wont win them elections.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    You're doing genocide apologia by insinuating people who opposed genocide are Russian bots. Maybe think about what your doing with your life.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I didn’t say bots

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Oh so we must've secretly just wanted Trump to win because...? Or maybe we just wanted Biden to stop funding a genocide?

    Maybe there's a lesson here for you to learn. Something about "electability". When people say "I won't vote for anyone who sponsors genocide" they aren't bluffing.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Are you happy the Trump is president again?

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They are because now progressives have their time to shine.

    Only problem is none of them are running for anything.

    We’ll see a couple them in the race in 2028 though.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Biden was pro-Israel, I don’t see him personally having the funds stopped since he believed whatever he was being told about them trying their best and using the funds and weapons for defense only. Harris was not pro-Israel, imo, but she was directed to be lock-step with Biden on the campaign trail and not piss off the pro-Israel PACs.

    We know that Netanyahu and Biden were working on a peace deal. There were some reports that this peace deal was pushed back though due to Trump and Netanyahu talking. It’s possible that Israel saw the ability to push the deal back as a win-win. Israel was going to have to scale things back quite a lot under Harris.

    From Netanyahu’s own perspective it was more advantageous to them if this was an issue for US voters, and they’ve more or less been given more power to do what they want. Also since Trump has not come down hard on how they did engagement. I believe this is why the peace deal did not happen before the election, despite it being pushed for. Plus they already knew Biden wasn’t going to play hardball with them.

    There were lots of different parts at play in 2024 ultimately which made it quite a mess. Both political parties receiving notable donations from pro-Israel PACs definitely made the situation more complicated, especially when some of those PACs would run ads that heavily implied false claims about those candidates that weren’t avidly pro-Israel.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    THATS WHY THEY KEEP FUCKING LOSING OH MY GOD. THEY LOSE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS OPPOSE FUCKING GENOCIDE.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    You and your purity tests, what's next you'll want a candidate who thinks women should have rights? You are why Trump won.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    If the democrats cared about womens rights they would have run a better fucking campaign. They would have listened to their voting base instead of their fucking donors. If democrats keep appealing to the right one day your life will be a purity test too and unless you grow a goddamn spine they're gonna keep doing it

    Fuck you

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago

    If the voters cared about woman's rights, they'd vote for democrats. It's not on the party to play games. They put out their platform, they have a given reputation. People vote for what they want. Americans didn't vote enough for democrats, so they don't get that platform, they get the other one. It's how it's supposed to work.
    Democrats listen to their donors so they keep having donors - that way they can continue to operate.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As much as it should be, this isn't the main issue people base their vote on. So no, I'm not sure that would have won it for them. They may have gained some votes, but they also would have lost votes.

    It isn't that simple, as appealing as that might seem.

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