xkcd #3156: Planetary Rings

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If you don't know where you are on Earth, the angle of satellite dishes can help constrain your latitude. If some of them are pointing straight up, you're probably near the Equator, right under the ring.

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If you don't know where you are on Earth, the angle of satellite dishes can help constrain your latitude. If some of them are pointing straight up, you're probably near the Equator, right under the ring.
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[–] 84 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Hey I am into this! Check out this site I built for tracking satellites!

https://spacebook.com/explorer

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It is comforting knowing that our planet is protected by a dense layer of floating garbage. 🫡🚀🗑️

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Your use of the word "dense" there is a little misleading. At the default view the scale of each satelite pixel looks roughly 20km wide.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Indeed, that's a joke I'm always saying, that every sat is the size of rhode island

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well Rhode Island is famously tiny so I doubt it's a problem

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hah, if satellites were actually that large... It still wouldn't actually be a problem. It's really hard to grasp just how far things are apart up in geostationary orbit, there is a truly immense amount is space. There's plenty of elbow room for thousands of Rhode Islands floating around up there, no reason to worry about collisions.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Whats the difference between the thin green horizontal ring and the wide orange horizontal ring that is slightly tilted?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Green is active, orange is debris or dead sats. When a GEO sat runs out of life / power / fuel the operators are supposed to move it out of the main corridor to make room, so often they are in the same ring but higher or lower

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'd appreciate if I could use your website without advertisement cookies. Would you mind complying with EU cookie law?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not familiar, what is the law, that we cannot use authentication cookies or google/twitter analytics cookies?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The 'cookie' law is (mainly) the ePrivacy Directive, that requires websites to get a user's informed, specific, and affirmative consent before storing or accessing non-essential information on their device.

    To comply a website must inform users about their cookie usage (who is using it, why, and how long they are stored, I think) and allow users to easily withdraw their consent at any time (though there's no requirement to easily decline).

    Actualy looking at the site, it already might be? I'm not sure, I don't remember the specifics of the law. But there is a banner pop up and you do inform cookies are used and why, and there's an easy way to withdraw consent.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thats so cool! Looks loke the most popular orbit aligns with the equator. Why is the wider "belt" around that line going over and under? Like

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    You know what I mean?

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  • Making an educated guess as a layperson, besides some satellites that are geosynchronous but not geostationary, I'd assume those are primarily old geostationary satellites in graveyard orbits - when they're EOL, satellites in those orbits are supposed to perform a small boost out of them, usually adding a few hundred km to their orbit's radius (GEO is about 36,000km in altitude, so a few hundred km is relatively small). Then, without station keeping, I believe they should naturally precess around the Laplace plane, which will range between roughly Earth's equator and the ecliptic plane (the plane of Earth's orbit). At GEO altitudes the Laplace plane is about 7.2 degrees inclined from the equator. I believe that would mean, starting at the equator with an inclination of 0 degrees, these satellites should precess to about 14.4 degrees and back to 0 over several decades (excluding other perturbations, of course).

    I found this online which would seem to confirm at least the mechanics: https://amostech.com/TechnicalPapers/2013/Orbital_Debris/ROSENGREN.pdf

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’ve bookmarked this website. That’s so cool. One of my new favourites now. Thanks for making it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wow thanks! If you like this, on Monday I'm planning to release an update that will let you rewind the viewer all the way back to 1959 and see the first launch of Sputnik. Then let it play forward to today sped up so you can see the growth of satellite counts. Also a new public API to fetch the TLEs from any date. I'm hoping this will let folks do interesting stuff with all that data - maybe AI training or research projects etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I browsed for a while and then realized, holy shit, they're moving. Is this real-time? Either way, this is awesome.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Wow thanks so much!

    Yes, so I'm taking every telescope/radio/radar reading I'm allowed to redistribute and then collecting them into a time series database and fetching the most recent reading for each sat into a text file. That's the TLE download in the public API. Then I use Rust WASM to propagate those readings into positions that are synced with the viewer time. This allows us to very roughly forecast where they will be for the next couple days.

    It's cool because it's too much data to transfer over the network, so we only transfer the most recent reading and then calculate positions live in the browser.

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