Yeah shit on them all you want, they were one of the most played bands growing up, it was my best friend's second favorite band (he likes Breaking Benjamin too much) when we were in high school.

I don't like them now, they just stopped being relevant and producing what I liked, but I won't call their stuff trash, it helped define metal in a good majority of the 00s.

I hated them in high school when they were popular and I still hate them. Why is that wrong?

My point was, I seriously doubt they helped shape nu metal scene. They had like 2 popular songs and people mainly just made fun of the monkey sound he makes.

Lol ok…? I hate nu metal, but I understand which bands seemed to do the heavy lifting. I only liked Deftones. Korn and Slipknot were cool. Soulfly was great if you clumped them in the mix.

The bands that laid the groundwork for nu metal to exist were sepultura, quicksand, korn and deftones.

While nu metal became a thing corporations could sell then I would include slipknot, soad, deftones, korn, lincoln park, staind as the leaders. Limp bizkit killed it. Everyone else were b tier. Only s tier was deftones because they actually put effort in creating what they wanted and not what was part of the shitrock formula.