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[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 year ago (17 children) The chance of new scandals popping up is greatly reduced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (16 children) Chester Bennington still seems pretty cool. I hope Corey Tailor doesn't do anything bad soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (15 children) I hope Corey Tailor doesn’t do anything bad soon. From 2020: “I think that’s what’s happened, we’ve seen too many people pushed off the cancel culture cliff who didn’t really deserve it, because of this all-or-nothing quote-unquote morality that the left has. “It’s so fucking full of shit and so hypocritical that it’s going to bite them in the ass. It used to be that there was a real moral center, honestly to both sides, and now we’ve abandoned that for the extremes.” https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/corey-taylor-politics-cmft/ 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (13 children) Not a slipknot fan but that looks so much worse taken out of context. You're practically proving his overall point lol He's saying the left will dogpile someone if they even say one thing they disagree with. Look at your comment...He's right. The purity tests on the left are infuriating. He COULD be more vocal about his political opinions but he's a musician. I can't fathom how stressful it would be knowing you'll get attacked by fans and the media for any innocuous comment. If that happened to me, I'd just stop sharing my opinions publicly...Which is kind of what he did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago “The Left”? You mean American liberals or like the actual left? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dublet@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (11 children) Quite interesting that's your interpretation. I didn't include the whole article to sate your need for maximum context, but I did link it. See, what I think is the problem with what he's saying is that he's been doing this "both sider"ism, which is nonsense. You don't need to think one side is with the angels and the others are devils, but to morally equate them is naive at best. So it's interesting that the point you're picking up on is when he's talking about cancel culture, so a good question to ask here is "who do you think has been wrongly cancelled?", which sadly the interviews at the time don't much delve into. I assume you don't listen to Rage Against The Machine because they're too political? Or Megadeth? Dead Kennedys? Pearl Jam? Bruce Springsteen? System of a Down? U2? There's a political dimension to most lyrics, even if you miss it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) He isn't bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn't even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase "cancel culture" And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn't be political. I said he's within his rights to not talk about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago Fuck. That’s really close to the edge, Corey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (16 children) Chester Bennington still seems pretty cool. I hope Corey Tailor doesn't do anything bad soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (15 children) I hope Corey Tailor doesn’t do anything bad soon. From 2020: “I think that’s what’s happened, we’ve seen too many people pushed off the cancel culture cliff who didn’t really deserve it, because of this all-or-nothing quote-unquote morality that the left has. “It’s so fucking full of shit and so hypocritical that it’s going to bite them in the ass. It used to be that there was a real moral center, honestly to both sides, and now we’ve abandoned that for the extremes.” https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/corey-taylor-politics-cmft/ 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (13 children) Not a slipknot fan but that looks so much worse taken out of context. You're practically proving his overall point lol He's saying the left will dogpile someone if they even say one thing they disagree with. Look at your comment...He's right. The purity tests on the left are infuriating. He COULD be more vocal about his political opinions but he's a musician. I can't fathom how stressful it would be knowing you'll get attacked by fans and the media for any innocuous comment. If that happened to me, I'd just stop sharing my opinions publicly...Which is kind of what he did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago “The Left”? You mean American liberals or like the actual left? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dublet@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (11 children) Quite interesting that's your interpretation. I didn't include the whole article to sate your need for maximum context, but I did link it. See, what I think is the problem with what he's saying is that he's been doing this "both sider"ism, which is nonsense. You don't need to think one side is with the angels and the others are devils, but to morally equate them is naive at best. So it's interesting that the point you're picking up on is when he's talking about cancel culture, so a good question to ask here is "who do you think has been wrongly cancelled?", which sadly the interviews at the time don't much delve into. I assume you don't listen to Rage Against The Machine because they're too political? Or Megadeth? Dead Kennedys? Pearl Jam? Bruce Springsteen? System of a Down? U2? There's a political dimension to most lyrics, even if you miss it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) He isn't bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn't even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase "cancel culture" And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn't be political. I said he's within his rights to not talk about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago Fuck. That’s really close to the edge, Corey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dublet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (15 children) I hope Corey Tailor doesn’t do anything bad soon. From 2020: “I think that’s what’s happened, we’ve seen too many people pushed off the cancel culture cliff who didn’t really deserve it, because of this all-or-nothing quote-unquote morality that the left has. “It’s so fucking full of shit and so hypocritical that it’s going to bite them in the ass. It used to be that there was a real moral center, honestly to both sides, and now we’ve abandoned that for the extremes.” https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/corey-taylor-politics-cmft/ 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (13 children) Not a slipknot fan but that looks so much worse taken out of context. You're practically proving his overall point lol He's saying the left will dogpile someone if they even say one thing they disagree with. Look at your comment...He's right. The purity tests on the left are infuriating. He COULD be more vocal about his political opinions but he's a musician. I can't fathom how stressful it would be knowing you'll get attacked by fans and the media for any innocuous comment. If that happened to me, I'd just stop sharing my opinions publicly...Which is kind of what he did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago “The Left”? You mean American liberals or like the actual left? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dublet@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (11 children) Quite interesting that's your interpretation. I didn't include the whole article to sate your need for maximum context, but I did link it. See, what I think is the problem with what he's saying is that he's been doing this "both sider"ism, which is nonsense. You don't need to think one side is with the angels and the others are devils, but to morally equate them is naive at best. So it's interesting that the point you're picking up on is when he's talking about cancel culture, so a good question to ask here is "who do you think has been wrongly cancelled?", which sadly the interviews at the time don't much delve into. I assume you don't listen to Rage Against The Machine because they're too political? Or Megadeth? Dead Kennedys? Pearl Jam? Bruce Springsteen? System of a Down? U2? There's a political dimension to most lyrics, even if you miss it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) He isn't bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn't even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase "cancel culture" And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn't be political. I said he's within his rights to not talk about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago Fuck. That’s really close to the edge, Corey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (13 children) Not a slipknot fan but that looks so much worse taken out of context. You're practically proving his overall point lol He's saying the left will dogpile someone if they even say one thing they disagree with. Look at your comment...He's right. The purity tests on the left are infuriating. He COULD be more vocal about his political opinions but he's a musician. I can't fathom how stressful it would be knowing you'll get attacked by fans and the media for any innocuous comment. If that happened to me, I'd just stop sharing my opinions publicly...Which is kind of what he did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago “The Left”? You mean American liberals or like the actual left? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dublet@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (11 children) Quite interesting that's your interpretation. I didn't include the whole article to sate your need for maximum context, but I did link it. See, what I think is the problem with what he's saying is that he's been doing this "both sider"ism, which is nonsense. You don't need to think one side is with the angels and the others are devils, but to morally equate them is naive at best. So it's interesting that the point you're picking up on is when he's talking about cancel culture, so a good question to ask here is "who do you think has been wrongly cancelled?", which sadly the interviews at the time don't much delve into. I assume you don't listen to Rage Against The Machine because they're too political? Or Megadeth? Dead Kennedys? Pearl Jam? Bruce Springsteen? System of a Down? U2? There's a political dimension to most lyrics, even if you miss it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) He isn't bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn't even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase "cancel culture" And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn't be political. I said he's within his rights to not talk about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago “The Left”? You mean American liberals or like the actual left? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dublet@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (11 children) Quite interesting that's your interpretation. I didn't include the whole article to sate your need for maximum context, but I did link it. See, what I think is the problem with what he's saying is that he's been doing this "both sider"ism, which is nonsense. You don't need to think one side is with the angels and the others are devils, but to morally equate them is naive at best. So it's interesting that the point you're picking up on is when he's talking about cancel culture, so a good question to ask here is "who do you think has been wrongly cancelled?", which sadly the interviews at the time don't much delve into. I assume you don't listen to Rage Against The Machine because they're too political? Or Megadeth? Dead Kennedys? Pearl Jam? Bruce Springsteen? System of a Down? U2? There's a political dimension to most lyrics, even if you miss it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) He isn't bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn't even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase "cancel culture" And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn't be political. I said he's within his rights to not talk about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (10 children) He isn't bothsidesing to say that politics are polarized on both sides. And he did nothing wrong by elaborating on the purity test bullshit on the left. He doesn't even say he disagrees with the left (he did support Bernie after all), he just hates that one imperfect comment gets you dragged on social media. Kind of like this. So he just avoids talking politics. His biggest crime here was using the phrase "cancel culture" And that is a weird assumption since I never said music shouldn't be political. I said he's within his rights to not talk about it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dublet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do you assume I'm left? And am applying a purity test? I'm just pointing out words that left his mouth and felt happy at being published without attaching a value judgement. You're rather missing the point. The left right paradigm neglects another dimension of freedom. Most of the "both siders" want to equate authoritarian right wing statements with moderate left wing in order to create a false equivalency and implying that they're all the same, and stuff like this shifts the Overton window towards right wing authoritarianism. Certainly, he's well within his rights not to discuss politics. Counter to your point, he's actually been pretty happy to discuss his politics. Not just supporting Bernie but happy to call those who voted for the current POTUS "fucking morons". Complaining about cancel culture is pretty low rent and makes me wonder why he did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children) purity test This thought-terminating cliche is an admission on the part of the person using it that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) It's a general term for what my side tends to do and it's accurate. You are truly blind to pretend it's not a problem, the left is anything but unified permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children) It’s a general term for what my side tends to do and it’s accurate. Your side uses the term to minimize legitimate criticism of your own worst actions because you want to continue or worsen them. You are truly blind to pretend it’s not a problem, the left is anything but unified Demands for unity from the "party unity my ass" wing. You want unity? Move left and show some damned solidarity with someone not named cheney or netanyahu. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (5 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards The other group apparently thinks it's better to let it keep going backwards until it burns down so we can replace it all at once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children) One group thinks incremental progress is better than going backwards If they had supported genocide with the same incrementalist approach, no one would have complained because netanyahu would still be waiting on the first peashooter. "incrementalism" is just how people who don't want to keep their promises justify breaking their promises. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sounds good, I guess we'll just keep sliding the Overton window to the right in the meantime permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean, it's not like establishment democrats are interested in moving it to the left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, it's not like an all-or-nothing voting approach will lead to the Republicans winning and dismantling democracy. Oh wait. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Did you think gainlessly moving to the right and alienating your base was never gonna hit a wall? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago Fuck. That’s really close to the edge, Corey. permalink fedilink source parent