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[–] 38 points 1 year ago (105 children)

I mean what do you call someone who supports right wing policies and does war crimes then?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My point is, the whole fucking world is complicit.

    Most of the world is to an extent, but not all the world is war crime levels of complicit. Arming people with the knowledge they'll be committing war crimes is a war crime, full stop. Israel was bombing hospitals and aid workers from day one.

    Should we be using this to drive yet another wedge among the left?

    First, Harris is not part of "the left." Second, opposing genocide is basic human decency. For any vaguely left-lesning cause, someone who can't even do that much is less than worthless; they're a liability.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    how?

    SHE SUPPORTED AMERICA’S INVOLVEMENT FROM HER POSITION OF POWER. Stop being a bootlicking piece of shit for one second and you’ll realize it’s OK to call her what she is: a goddamned criminal.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    KHAMAAS!!!

    Israel created hamas, trough hundred years of genocide and occupation. It is a Zionist settler colonial project created in image of the USA. Hamas are a reaction to exactly that, it is a resistance shaped by generations of genocide, discrimination and persecution. Israel stole the land of Palestine and now wishes to expand towards Lebanon and Syria. And they won't stop, they are the stronghold of the US interests in the region, they are supported by both parties.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    no. it is not. to support israel is to support genocide. from its inception it’s been genocide the entire time. it is ok for things to feel uncomfortable but that’s how you progress. genocide bad. ok?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    People are making this black and white when it is very much not.

    You'll do anything to justify the genocide all centrists dearly love.

    During the Biden presidency she pushed for more protection for Palestinian civilians and more to prevent famine, but was blocked by the administration.

    Sure she did. BeHiNd ThE sCeNeS.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not only Harris supported defensive weapons but also offensive weapon. Don't you think giving gaza defensive arms would also save palestinian lives too? Would you also have supported Nazi getting weapons from your country while they comited genocide? The occupying forces and grnocidal state shouldn't have sny right to self defence

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It is simple to not go to an aipac event and not to promise uncondtional support.

    Simple or not is beside the point anyway

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It is not. She accepted a position of power that require to fix complex issues so people has the right to critisize just like a parent can critisize a terrible teachers that not do her job correctly

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    People who accept a position knowing full well its complexity should be held accountable if they fail to perform. Your logic is like when a parent complains about a terrible teacher, and the teacher—or their supporters—responds, “If you think it’s so easy, why don’t you try being a teacher yourself?”

    Your logic is so dumb and pathetic

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It’s entirely possible to want the Palestinians to be safe from harm while at the same time wanting to give Israel funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive measures to protect their people from Hamas.

    No it isn't. Do you also support sending weapons and money to Russia? Would you have supported it for Nazi Germany? Do you really not appreciate the insanity of saying "it's possible to oppose the holocaust while also supporting sending troops to guard the death camp!"

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Everyone who, from a place of power to do so, aided in a genocide, in the world, is in fact a war criminal. Yes, that’s what that fucking means. Democrats are not the left. And if I have to support genocide to work with someone I will not be working with that person or their movement. It’s ridiculous I even have to say that.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I’m not American, and am working with parties that affect actual change in my country. What YOU need to realize is that your parties are not the ways you affect actual change anymore in the United States. You have two right wing genocide parties. How you fix that is with popular working class movements, not by shaming people who are actively trying to foster them. Your country is the way it is in large part because of people like you shrieking “vote blue no matter who” while the democrats move further and further to the right and help wreak untold havoc on the rest of the world.

    Edited for the sake of civility.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    American liberals absolutely do not know what they’re talking about at all but you do you, I see how well it’s been working so far.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Anybody who don't resign from a government complicit in genocide is a war criminal

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Understand that your American definition of left and right is not based at all on actual, factual analysis of of political theory and based entirely on American propaganda. There are base definitions for these things, even if Americans seem to think that “the Overton window” is relevant in intelligent discussion around the world with these things. Even if it was it wouldn’t shift the actual definition of these words, but your perceptions by proxy.

    I am referring to the actual definitions of these terms.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I’m not European. American problems directly affect my country. And these right wing/left wing discussions mean something. Someone cannot claim to be left wing or have my sympathies when they’re just claiming to be left wing while being oppose to me on every issue I care about. I know it’s hard for liberals to understand this, although I have no clue why.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Okay, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll leave you to it pal, have a good life.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In no way, shape, or form is what I’m saying racist you absolute twit. If you’re gonna reach that far for something, you should be reaching up your ass to pull your head out of it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Calling somebody a Racist for disagreing with them is an incredibly common US Liberal comeback when they're all out of arguments.

    Notice how this very person kept going on and on about "Europeans", and then called you a racist. (Oh, the irony!)

    No point in engaging with that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At a certain point it's not even worth arguing with these people. They've been sold propaganda by American liberals and conservatives for so long that they cannot get it out of their head. They bought it hook line and sinker. They've been sitting there while the Overton Windows being shifted and they've been going along with it happily.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Yeah man, like I seriously don’t get it. These aren’t difficult concepts, but American liberals are just incapable of understanding that A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HARDLINE ABOUT GENOCIDE. Convince your politicians that it’s not okay to do genocide. I GUARANTEE YOU it’s easier than convincing me that genocide is okay.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    By the world's standards, you potato. By comparing her to others in this country, you corndog-stick. By simply looking at her positions, you meatloaf stain. By whom she supports, you pickle wart.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Liberals will never take any personal responsibility under any circumstance and it’s really irritating.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Liberals loved genocide so much they were willing to lose to trump instead of tell netanyahu no. They broke the Leahy law to do so. They're sticklers for the tiniest policy under all other circumstances because it means they don't have to pass what they ran on. But they'll bend over backwards to support genocide.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Progressives will find a hill to die on every single election cycle

    Centrists choose to die rather than tell your god netanyahu no.

    As a result, they consistently lose and are unable to enact any change.

    Centrists are unwilling to enact any change. They only support genocide. Nothing else. Ever. They always get in their own way. They always manage to find some procedural bullshit to consider sacrosanct. But they'll break the law to sell weapons to your favorite person for your favorite activity.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You're just pretending that the genocide you dearly love is the only winning issue. You know better.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Progressives could’ve supported Harris and minimized if not ended the genocide with Palestinians still in Gaza.

    Harris had no intention of stopping arms sales. She preferred to lose to trump than tell netanyahu no.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can’t even figure out how to read voters.

    Progressives were telling you for all of 2024 that if you continued supporting genocide, you would lose. Centrists chose genocide anyway. Said that the anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to. Those same pro-genocide centrists are now blaming their left because what the left told them was going to happen happened. You can't accept that your conventional wisdom was sheer foolishness.

    If they were too insignificant to listen to, they're too insignificant to blame.

    If they're to blame, you should have listened to them. They were your kingmakers, not the right wing your party keeps trying to appease.

    Biden ran on a host of progressive policies. Progressives voted for him, and he won. His tenure in office demonstrated that they were all lies and that the only thing he was actually interested in was selling weapons for genocide. Harris promised a continuation of that policy. Democrats lie when they claim to want progressive policy. But they're willing to move heaven and earth to protect the head of the rightwing government of a genocidal apartheid state by prolonging the genocide that keeps him in power.

    Not only did the Biden administration betray progressives by breaking every promise it made to them, it demonstrated through actions that his wing of the party are genocidal monsters. Did you think progressives were going to be enthusiastic to vote for someone who betrayed them so thoroughly, or his protege who not only insisted on continuing his betrayal and genocide, but considered the endorsement of Dick Cheney to be a win?

    You are determined to continue supporting genocide, no matter how much it costs everyone. I'm done talking to you. I don't need the aggravation and disgust of knowing someone so devoted to the cause of genocide exists.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Which is another way of saying liberals are pro genocide, or at least okay with it. I’m not, never will be. This is YOUR fault for having zero principles and not demanding the bare minimum from your politicians.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah yes, the old “stopping genocide by voting for parties that promise to commit genocide” tactic. Works every time!

    Man listen to yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    Harris being bad about economy made her lost

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If the leftists you hate because and only because they don't want all Palestinians dead like you always have were so damned important to Harris' chances, she should have listened to them instead of trying to court people whose policies are identical to yours in the republican party.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don’t want Palestinians dead.

    You wont nothing else. NOTHING. ELSE.

    That’s why I am pointing out that progressives lost to AIPAC funded candidates.

    You're gloating that your garbage pro-genocide party only protects pro-genocide incumbents from challengers.

    Your wing of the party prefers trump to ever stopping their genocide support. You got a candidate you are happy with: anyone who supports genocide for you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    People from all races and classes was fooled by Trump thanks to the terrible job Harris did in her campaign

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    The candidate against Trump was Harris a democrat so I don't know why you talk about the progressives. Harris had a chance to win if she had a good compaign focusing on the economy so it is ok to critisize her. If the candidate running against Trump was a progressives and had a terrible compaign I would have the same critisim because i am not a cultist like you or the member of the republican cult

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